As a crawler-enthusiast, I'd be willing to give a hand if given clear pointers on the current infrastructure and future needs!
Cheers, -- Sylvain Zimmer Founder, Jamendo blog: sylvinus.org gsm: +33 6 64 67 61 71 On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Jonas Öberg <[email protected]> wrote: > I too think it's important that work continues on metadata standards > and other infrastructure work, but also that this can not be the work > of Creative Commons alone, as an organisation. As you say, it would be > very useful to see the ecosystem around this include other > organisations and individuals. It would create for a stronger alliance > around the important infrastructure we need to support the commons, > technically, in the future. > > What would be a suitable way forward? I know that CC in the past > organised technology summits that I felt was useful. Still, it would > be good to make progress without needing to physically get together > for something to happen :) > > > Best > Jonas > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:14 AM, Mike Linksvayer <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Maarten, > > > > You're right about everything below. > > > > But Greg is not a person to beat up on. He doesn't work for CC now, > > and his responsibility there was (as mandated by a grant) LRMI. I'm > > certain he's sincere in that he wishes he had better answers. CC > > hasn't had any tech leadership since Nathan Yergler left nearly 2 > > years ago, and the months before him leaving were transitional. Now it > > has no software engineers either. PDM (launched close to 2.5 years > > ago) is the last big thing done (but kudos to those who pushed the > > updated chooser out before exiting in the past year). > > > > I've been advising CC most of this period, and take some > > responsibility for failing to press for hiring a CTO and more > > engineers. Others, including Greg, tried harder. > > > > I'm rooting for contemporary CC to do better, and maybe your emails > > will help. But I also hope that some entities outside of CC the > > organization build and improve tools.That would be a healthier > > ecosystem, even if the ultimate aim is just for the centralized > > metadata scraper to work better (which is an absurdly low aim, and yes > > absurd that it is not reached) -- expensive things relied on by few > > generally don't get improved -- that's metadata in a nutshell. It's > > really amazing over the years how few people have actively complained > > about CC "tech tools" and documentation (not counting "search is a > > problem!!!") -- it's largely because almost nothing is relying on them > > end to end, the deed scraper being maybe the only active exception, > > initially built in part to have something that actually consumed > > recommended metadata. > > > > Mike > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Maarten Zeinstra <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Oh come on! > >> > >> That simply is not good enough. > >> > >> We CC-affiliates / open activists need to be able to do our work. I > raised this question because I do work for Europeana, The European version > of the DPLA, but 5 years ahead. they were instrumental and the first > adopter of the Public Domain Mark. Europeana works with 2600+ cultural > institutions and has about 5 million works PD/CC0 marked. Now when one of > those institutions mails me and asked me why there is no extra metadata on > PDM pages coming of Europeana, I need to be able to say that there is > possibly a script blocker on the client side and that Europeana and > CreativeCommons.org are functioning properly, see this page for more > information (no page or documentation to be found...). When I cannot do > that I cannot do my job. When I cannot do my job I cannot convince these > institutions of the merit of CC licensing or PD marking. When I cannot do > that they will be less likely to use the tools. That is bad for our global > access to culture. (I use myself as an example, this could happen to anyone > who wants to promote CC). > >> > >> We all want more open content and correct rights labelling right? I > need to be able to rely on that infrastructure of CC.org to be able to do > my job in this. > >> > >> It is completely absurd that you cannot get your act together and > provide us with a decent technological infrastructure and support to help > convince the world that a) open content is a good way to go and b) rights > labelling is important and c) (most importantly) we have their backs in > that. > >> > >> Also, where is Dan Mills in all of this? He's been on the job for like > two months now right? Why is it that he hasn't even introduced himself on > this list yet? I hope he consider the licenses and their backing technology > as part of the product of CC.. > >> > >> I think it is unbelievable that you can laconically state that you wish > you had better answers… > >> > >> > >> On Feb 27, 2013, at 18:15 , Greg Grossmeier <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >>> <quote name="Maarten Zeinstra" date="2013-02-27" time="12:18:05 +0100"> > >>>> I was wondering if there is a roadmap for the development of the > >>>> metadata scraper of the deed pages. > >>> > >>> This is on a roadmap of some sorts; I can't remember the specific > >>> timeline right now. > >>> > >>>> As of now it only support RDFa, maybe we want to add other formats as > >>>> well? > >>> > >>> That is the idea, indeed. > >>> > >>>> Also I could find very little documentation about the workings of the > >>>> scraper directed at non-developers. Where can I point to when no > >>>> scraped information shows up because of a script blocker? > >>> > >>> Nothing at this time :/ > >>> > >>> > >>> Wish I had better answers, > >>> > >>> Greg > >>> > >>> > >>> PS: As of Feb 19th, I now work for the Wikimedia Foundation, so my time > >>> on these type of issues will be radically lower now. > >>> > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-February/066672.html > >>> > >>> -- > >>> | Greg Grossmeier GPG: B2FA 27B1 F7EB D327 6B8E | > >>> | http://grossmeier.net A18D 1138 8E47 FAC8 1C7D | > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> cc-devel mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-devel > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> cc-devel mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-devel > > _______________________________________________ > > cc-devel mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-devel > _______________________________________________ > cc-devel mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-devel >
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