+1 My experience as an external volunteer developer is the same as Maarten. This actually made me more or less stop contributing to CC. I'd also like to see a more future-proof solution where some thought has been given to prevent the mistakes from the past, instead of quick 'fixes'.
grtz BjornW On 04-03-13 12:08, Maarten Zeinstra wrote: > Hi Dan, > > There is no documentation for a start. It is a very value adding > feature of the deed page but without documentation is probably > sparsely used and hard to convince third parties to use RDFa to enrich > their rights statements. > > But frankly and if you read closely this entire thread is not about > the metadata scraper. It is about the lack of transparency, direction > and general documentation, as well as leadership in the technical > infrastructure of CC. > > The entire community basically consist of recent departures from the > CC tech team and me. In recent years I've tried on multiple occasions > to contribute on the codebase/ infrastructure of CC but I always run > up to a barrier of having no central team that can support efforts to > such an extent that is adds value. > > With this thread I don't want to hear quick fixes or answers to my > direct questions. I want to receive some confirmation (in > policy/roadmaps/support) that cc-technologies is not at a dead end. > > Best, > > Maarten > > On Feb 28, 2013, at 19:46 , Dan Mills <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> Hi Maarten, >> >> I actually thought I'd sent a mail to this list, but indeed, >> apparently I did not! So, let me fix that right away :) >> >> Hello. I'm Dan Mills, the new Director of Product Strategy at >> Creative Commons. In short, I'm a technical product guy with roots in >> open source and the Web. You can read a little more about me here: >> >> http://creativecommons.org/staff#danmills >> >> More specifically on roadmap--I have been reviewing the existing >> infrastructure and identifying the most urgent fixes we need to do, >> while at the same time thinking about what the forward direction will >> be and what kind of team we will need. >> >> What are the burning issues with the scraper form your POV? >> >> Dan >> >> On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Maarten Zeinstra wrote: >> >>> Oh come on! >>> >>> That simply is not good enough. >>> >>> We CC-affiliates / open activists need to be able to do our work. I >>> raised this question because I do work for Europeana, The European >>> version of the DPLA, but 5 years ahead. they were instrumental and >>> the first adopter of the Public Domain Mark. Europeana works with >>> 2600+ cultural institutions and has about 5 million works PD/CC0 >>> marked. Now when one of those institutions mails me and asked me why >>> there is no extra metadata on PDM pages coming of Europeana, I need >>> to be able to say that there is possibly a script blocker on the >>> client side and that Europeana and CreativeCommons.org >>> <http://creativecommons.org/> are functioning properly, see this >>> page for more information (no page or documentation to be found...). >>> When I cannot do that I cannot do my job. When I cannot do my job I >>> cannot convince these institutions of the merit of CC licensing or >>> PD marking. When I cannot do that they will be less likely to use >>> the tools. That is bad for our global access to culture. (I use >>> myself as an example, this could happen to anyone who wants to >>> promote CC). >>> >>> We all want more open content and correct rights labelling right? I >>> need to be able to rely on that infrastructure of CC.org >>> <http://cc.org/> to be able to do my job in this. >>> >>> It is completely absurd that you cannot get your act together and >>> provide us with a decent technological infrastructure and support to >>> help convince the world that a) open content is a good way to go and >>> b) rights labelling is important and c) (most importantly) we have >>> their backs in that. >>> >>> Also, where is Dan Mills in all of this? He's been on the job for >>> like two months now right? Why is it that he hasn't even introduced >>> himself on this list yet? I hope he consider the licenses and their >>> backing technology as part of the product of CC.. >>> >>> I think it is unbelievable that you can laconically state that you >>> wish you had better answers… >>> >>> >>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 18:15 , Greg Grossmeier <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>>> <quote name="Maarten Zeinstra" date="2013-02-27" time="12:18:05 +0100"> >>>>> I was wondering if there is a roadmap for the development of the >>>>> metadata scraper of the deed pages. >>>> >>>> This is on a roadmap of some sorts; I can't remember the specific >>>> timeline right now. >>>> >>>>> As of now it only support RDFa, maybe we want to add other formats as >>>>> well? >>>> >>>> That is the idea, indeed. >>>> >>>>> Also I could find very little documentation about the workings of the >>>>> scraper directed at non-developers. Where can I point to when no >>>>> scraped information shows up because of a script blocker? >>>> >>>> Nothing at this time :/ >>>> >>>> >>>> Wish I had better answers, >>>> >>>> Greg >>>> >>>> >>>> PS: As of Feb 19th, I now work for the Wikimedia Foundation, so my time >>>> on these type of issues will be radically lower now. >>>> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-February/066672.html >>>> >>>> -- >>>> | Greg Grossmeier GPG: B2FA 27B1 F7EB D327 6B8E | >>>> | http://grossmeier.net <http://grossmeier.net/> A18D 1138 8E47 >>>> FAC8 1C7D | >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> cc-devel mailing list >>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-devel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> cc-devel mailing list >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-devel >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > cc-devel mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-devel -- met vriendelijke groet, Bjorn Wijers * b u r o b j o r n .nl * digitaal vakmanschap | digital craftsmanship Werkdagen: Van maandag t/m donderdag vanaf 10:00 Vrijdag is voor experimenteren en eigen projecten. 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