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On Feb 7, 2011, at 10:51 AM, J D'Silva wrote: > I think it's also important to remember that at the end of the day this list > belongs to IPexpert, and it's their rules. If they ask us to refrain from > talk about obtaining IOU then we should respect that. > > Neither Marko or Tyson was rude in their request. I see no reason we > shouldn't abide by their rules on this. > > Jason > > > On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 2:53 AM, Matt Hill <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I'lll be impartial here... Queries in the gaps... >> >> On 7 February 2011 20:12, Thomas Raabo - Zitcom A/S <[email protected]> wrote: >>> What is the difference on violating the iou license agreement and the ios >> license agreement? >>> >> >> Absolutely nothing. >> >> >>> Violating is violating right?.... >>> I just don't see the difference... actually IPexpert helps people break >> the license agreement with the nice how-to for dynamips >> >> Still it is the individual that downloads any IOS and does whatever >> with it may be violating the agreement. I think IPExpert will jump up >> and down just as much if you posted a link to an IOS warez repository >> as they would any other commercial software. This includes IOS, IOU, >> MS Windows, OSX and something Tyson has on his Decnet setup at home. >> >>> >>> I did not publish url. I did not tell you where to go...! >> >> Indeed you didnt. However I would not have even thought about >> Googling it until I saw your email. Then again I have completed my >> studies so my interest would be described as "minimal" at best. >> Having said that I did google it, saw a bunch of links and lost any >> interest I did have. I googled. Im a bad man. Mea Culpa. >> >>> >>> I think Marko´s message was just in the hopes of somebody at cisco >> reading his Email nothing else... >> >> Possibly. In this business its all about CYA before most other things. >> >>> >>> Tyson >>> IOU is not a public product and Cisco has gone to great lengths to keep >> it from the public. So the posting of it publicly will get Cisco angry with >> you and us. None of us what that. If you do want that then you are >> studying for the wrong certification ;). >>> >>> >>> Angry with us?... you helped people violate for years... >> >> An organisation such as Cisco are more likely to turn a blind eye to a >> blog post saying "Install this Open Source/GNU bizzo on your PeeCee >> and press go" as opposed to "Go and grab Cisco's proprietary internal >> software from here and go hard." Any lack of a response from an >> "official" can be seen as condoning it so it had to be said. >> >>> >>> >>> IOU is of no interest to me I have a full ipexpert setup. But maybe I >> could help others... that's why I posted it! >>> Not everybody is able to build I nice setup or rent a lot of >> hours.....and dynamips woops my 8 core machine here at home >> >> Indeed. A very expensive exercise it is to do this stuff. Emulation >> is very new in the game and what did people do before it? I did my >> whole lab via these means. I would not be a CCIE without GNS3. I am >> grateful to the developers of these products who spend their time >> making them so I can study for free. >> >> No one here is saying you are a crook or should be locked up. I'm >> certainly not. If anything you have raised my interest in something >> that I normally would not have given much thought to. But considering >> that, I dont fancy risking my pile of CCxx's I have built up over the >> past 13 or so years just to try something out. Ponder this... is the >> software, or the website/torrent it is available from watermarked and >> traceable? Does it phone home? 6500s and other gear does now. These >> issues do not bother me as I did not attempt to obtain the software. >> >> Everyone has their own means of studying. I personally rate using >> IOU considerably higher than what I would someone who dumps the exam. >> For starters you are proving you are studying as opposed to cheating >> However my opinion is not worth a pinch of sh17 as I am not the one >> who creates or enforces software licence agreements >>> >>> >>> Med venlig hilsen | Best regards >>> Thomas Raabo >>> Netværks ansvarlig >> >> Cheers, >> Matt >> >> CCIE #22386 >> CCSI #31207 >> >>> >>> >>> >>> _____________________________________________ >>> [email protected] | Direkte: +45 69 10 60 18 | Tlf.: +45 70 23 55 66 >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Matt Hill >>> Sent: 6. februar 2011 05:13 >>> To: Jeferson Guardia >>> Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] Switches in Troubleshooting >>> >>> I cant see why. >>> >>> If IPExpert decide to make a lab programme that utilises dynamips, then >> thats great. Regardless of what the IOS licensing agreement states. >>> >>> If YOU (yes YOU, the one who clicks "I agree with the licensing Ts&Cs" >>> when you download IOS) decide to violate the licence agreement then that >> is not IPExpert's fault. It is YOURS. If Tyson or Marko or Fred from >> IPExpert even help you to troubleshoot your dynamips setup, that is also not >> a problem of IPExpert. >>> >>> The possession of the IOS and how it is obtained is between the holder of >> the software and Cisco. No one, despite the amount of publications written >> by any third party. >>> >>> Now to the specific matter at hand. This IOU is Cisco property and I am >> sure its licensing says "Cant be used outside of Cisco approved activities" >> or words to that effect. If Someone like Marko does not say, "Hey dont do >> that please" then that can be implied to condone similar postings in the >> future. It would be the same if someone came along and said, "Hey guys, >> come to my IOS repository and download all the stuff you like" >>> >>> Anyway I've typed enough. It's a Sunday and I really should be out >> drinking beer or doing something equally as productive. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Matt >>> >>> CCIE #22386 >>> CCSI #31207 >>> >>> On 6 February 2011 13:00, Jeferson Guardia <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Marko, >>>> >>>> That was a bad approach with if our colleague here trying to share >>>> some interesting information, since he didnt post any url or nothing, >>>> I dont see anything bad about it, we should stand someone trying to >>>> let us know good info, if I re-call properly, there's a petition on >>>> the net for Cisco not to block their IOS so we can continue studying >>>> dynamips, this type of thing should be prohibited as well, right? >>>> Because dynamips is basically doing something that Cisco has been >>>> trying to prevent, then why dont you go ahead and remove everything >>>> about dynamips on the ipexpert portal? guess this would take years. >>>> >>>> Peace, >>>> >>>> 2011/2/1 Marko Milivojevic <[email protected]> >>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 09:14, Thomas Raabo - Zitcom A/S >>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> BTW for anyone who wants to know... IOU is out in the open.. :) I >>>>>> wonB4t tell you where.. just google! >>>>> >>>>> Thomas (et al), >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the heads-up, but please don't post this kind of messages >>>>> on OSL again. IOU is Cisco's intellectual property and int's their >>>>> decision not to have it available. Please don't discuss finding it >>>>> using illegals means here. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks in advance for cooperation! >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427 >>>>> Senior Technical Instructor - IPexpert >>>>> >>>>> FREE CCIE training: http://bit.ly/vLecture >>>>> >>>>> Mailto: [email protected] >>>>> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 >>>>> Web: http://www.ipexpert.com/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net >>>>> >>>>> _____________________________________________________________________ >>>>> __ Subscription information may be found at: >>>>> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, >>>> please visit www.ipexpert.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please >> visit www.ipexpert.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please >> visit www.ipexpert.com >> > _______________________________________________ > For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please > visit www.ipexpert.com _______________________________________________ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com
