Agreed 100%
On 8 February 2011 02:51, J D'Silva <[email protected]> wrote: > I think it's also important to remember that at the end of the day this list > belongs to IPexpert, and it's their rules. If they ask us to refrain from > talk about obtaining IOU then we should respect that. > > Neither Marko or Tyson was rude in their request. I see no reason we > shouldn't abide by their rules on this. > > Jason > > > On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 2:53 AM, Matt Hill <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I'lll be impartial here... Queries in the gaps... >> >> On 7 February 2011 20:12, Thomas Raabo - Zitcom A/S <[email protected]> wrote: >> > What is the difference on violating the iou license agreement and the >> > ios license agreement? >> > >> >> Absolutely nothing. >> >> >> > Violating is violating right?.... >> > I just don't see the difference... actually IPexpert helps people break >> > the license agreement with the nice how-to for dynamips >> >> Still it is the individual that downloads any IOS and does whatever >> with it may be violating the agreement. I think IPExpert will jump up >> and down just as much if you posted a link to an IOS warez repository >> as they would any other commercial software. This includes IOS, IOU, >> MS Windows, OSX and something Tyson has on his Decnet setup at home. >> >> > >> > I did not publish url. I did not tell you where to go...! >> >> Indeed you didnt. However I would not have even thought about >> Googling it until I saw your email. Then again I have completed my >> studies so my interest would be described as "minimal" at best. >> Having said that I did google it, saw a bunch of links and lost any >> interest I did have. I googled. Im a bad man. Mea Culpa. >> >> > >> > I think Marko´s message was just in the hopes of somebody at cisco >> > reading his Email nothing else... >> >> Possibly. In this business its all about CYA before most other things. >> >> > >> > Tyson >> > IOU is not a public product and Cisco has gone to great lengths to keep >> > it from the public. So the posting of it publicly will get Cisco angry >> > with >> > you and us. None of us what that. If you do want that then you are >> > studying for the wrong certification ;). >> > >> > >> > Angry with us?... you helped people violate for years... >> >> An organisation such as Cisco are more likely to turn a blind eye to a >> blog post saying "Install this Open Source/GNU bizzo on your PeeCee >> and press go" as opposed to "Go and grab Cisco's proprietary internal >> software from here and go hard." Any lack of a response from an >> "official" can be seen as condoning it so it had to be said. >> >> > >> > >> > IOU is of no interest to me I have a full ipexpert setup. But maybe I >> > could help others... that's why I posted it! >> > Not everybody is able to build I nice setup or rent a lot of >> > hours.....and dynamips woops my 8 core machine here at home >> >> Indeed. A very expensive exercise it is to do this stuff. Emulation >> is very new in the game and what did people do before it? I did my >> whole lab via these means. I would not be a CCIE without GNS3. I am >> grateful to the developers of these products who spend their time >> making them so I can study for free. >> >> No one here is saying you are a crook or should be locked up. I'm >> certainly not. If anything you have raised my interest in something >> that I normally would not have given much thought to. But considering >> that, I dont fancy risking my pile of CCxx's I have built up over the >> past 13 or so years just to try something out. Ponder this... is the >> software, or the website/torrent it is available from watermarked and >> traceable? Does it phone home? 6500s and other gear does now. These >> issues do not bother me as I did not attempt to obtain the software. >> >> Everyone has their own means of studying. I personally rate using >> IOU considerably higher than what I would someone who dumps the exam. >> For starters you are proving you are studying as opposed to cheating >> However my opinion is not worth a pinch of sh17 as I am not the one >> who creates or enforces software licence agreements >> > >> > >> > Med venlig hilsen | Best regards >> > Thomas Raabo >> > Netværks ansvarlig >> >> Cheers, >> Matt >> >> CCIE #22386 >> CCSI #31207 >> >> > >> > >> > >> > _____________________________________________ >> > [email protected] | Direkte: +45 69 10 60 18 | Tlf.: +45 70 23 55 66 >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: [email protected] >> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matt Hill >> > Sent: 6. februar 2011 05:13 >> > To: Jeferson Guardia >> > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] >> > Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] Switches in Troubleshooting >> > >> > I cant see why. >> > >> > If IPExpert decide to make a lab programme that utilises dynamips, then >> > thats great. Regardless of what the IOS licensing agreement states. >> > >> > If YOU (yes YOU, the one who clicks "I agree with the licensing Ts&Cs" >> > when you download IOS) decide to violate the licence agreement then that >> > is not IPExpert's fault. It is YOURS. If Tyson or Marko or Fred from >> > IPExpert even help you to troubleshoot your dynamips setup, that is also >> > not >> > a problem of IPExpert. >> > >> > The possession of the IOS and how it is obtained is between the holder >> > of the software and Cisco. No one, despite the amount of publications >> > written by any third party. >> > >> > Now to the specific matter at hand. This IOU is Cisco property and I am >> > sure its licensing says "Cant be used outside of Cisco approved activities" >> > or words to that effect. If Someone like Marko does not say, "Hey dont do >> > that please" then that can be implied to condone similar postings in the >> > future. It would be the same if someone came along and said, "Hey guys, >> > come to my IOS repository and download all the stuff you like" >> > >> > Anyway I've typed enough. It's a Sunday and I really should be out >> > drinking beer or doing something equally as productive. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Matt >> > >> > CCIE #22386 >> > CCSI #31207 >> > >> > On 6 February 2011 13:00, Jeferson Guardia <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Marko, >> >> >> >> That was a bad approach with if our colleague here trying to share >> >> some interesting information, since he didnt post any url or nothing, >> >> I dont see anything bad about it, we should stand someone trying to >> >> let us know good info, if I re-call properly, there's a petition on >> >> the net for Cisco not to block their IOS so we can continue studying >> >> dynamips, this type of thing should be prohibited as well, right? >> >> Because dynamips is basically doing something that Cisco has been >> >> trying to prevent, then why dont you go ahead and remove everything >> >> about dynamips on the ipexpert portal? guess this would take years. >> >> >> >> Peace, >> >> >> >> 2011/2/1 Marko Milivojevic <[email protected]> >> >> >> >>> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 09:14, Thomas Raabo - Zitcom A/S >> >>> <[email protected]> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> > BTW for anyone who wants to know... IOU is out in the open.. :) I >> >>> > wonB4t tell you where.. just google! >> >>> >> >>> Thomas (et al), >> >>> >> >>> Thanks for the heads-up, but please don't post this kind of messages >> >>> on OSL again. IOU is Cisco's intellectual property and int's their >> >>> decision not to have it available. Please don't discuss finding it >> >>> using illegals means here. >> >>> >> >>> Thanks in advance for cooperation! >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427 >> >>> Senior Technical Instructor - IPexpert >> >>> >> >>> FREE CCIE training: http://bit.ly/vLecture >> >>> >> >>> Mailto: [email protected] >> >>> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 >> >>> Web: http://www.ipexpert.com/ >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net >> >>> >> >>> _____________________________________________________________________ >> >>> __ Subscription information may be found at: >> >>> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, >> >> please visit www.ipexpert.com >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, >> > please visit www.ipexpert.com >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please >> visit www.ipexpert.com > > _______________________________________________ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com
