There's another thing to be wary of here. Cisco is very clear that you cannot rent, sell, or otherwise license "use" of your CCIE number to anyone who is not your primary employer. They can (and have) stripped numbers from CCIEs and banned them from Cisco's certification program for this offense.
If you were to negotiate (what is, in the employers view) a "separate" arrangement for use of your number in their partner status with Cisco, you run a risk of getting in a bad place if you leave the employer and they are under the impression that the XXXX dollars per year they were paying you gave them (and continues to give them) rights to continue to use your number. In other words, is there a risk they lay you off but not your CCIE number? Yet another aspect, if you negotiate separately for "use" of your CCIE number, what happens if they later hire another CCIE who made no such demand? Perhaps they now decide to get rid of you, or inform you they no longer need to pay you extra for your number since they have another CCIE number to use. Just some thoughts. To me, the CCIE is a commitment you make to be at the top of the industry. If you get help or remuneration from an employer, that's great and I think we all want that, but if you make it all about the money that will show during the hiring process. On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:30 AM, George Leslie <[email protected] > wrote: > > Hi Ben,G'day. I'll add my 2p worth. And this may not be popular with > others on the list, but what the hey.... If you choose to self finance your > CCIE, (and I pretty much am repeating your route to get it....no pun > intended), then you choose to take a short term financial hit (loss of > income, study materials, exam costs, travel costs etc etc) but in turn > increase your salary for the rest of your life. If you were a CCNP before, > that goes with a certain salary range. CCIEs get more (although definitely > not as lucrative as it once was) and an employer will factor that into the > salary range they offer. This increase, over time, will pay back your > initial investment and get you back in credit as it were. I think CCIE > should be seen as an investment, not as a cost. You invest time, effort, > money, blood, sweat and tears and lots of caffeine. Eventually you get > back a 5 digit number. That number over time earns you additional income > that will pay back at least the money aspect. OK, you may now have grey > hair, need stronger reading glasses, and completely forgotten what it is > like of have s** with your missus but that is part of the sacrifice. CCIE > is so much more than just the money. It is like about showing you are > amongst the best in your profession, it is about proving to yourself and > the world you can do it, and with so many CCNP cheats out there now, > proving you really know your subject matter. I have been on the employer > side of these sorts of arguments before, so if I can put my company > recruiter hat on for now... I think it completely wrong to ask an employer > to directly pay for some of the cost you have incurred. That was your > choice, not theirs. Similarly, if the employer accrues additional benefit > by having a CCIE, this is part of why they are recruiting for this job, and > offering the salarary they are. To directly ask them to pay you for this > benefit is again completely wrong. If a CCIE candidate came before me for > interview and made these two demands, my response would be two word and the > second one would be "off". I completely understand where you are coming > from, don't get me wrong, but to try these two tactics at an interview > would be a disaster for you!! Anyway, light blue touch paper and stand well > back.... George. > > Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 17:35:04 +1100 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [OSL | CCIE_RS] Negotiating employers use of CCIE Number > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > I was wondering what peoples thoughts are on the use of ones CCIE number > as > > a negotiation tool with a potential employer? I recently passed my CCIE > > after taking a year off work to study. During that time not only did I > > forgo an income I also paid for all elements of my study including the > > following: > > > > > > > > - Complete rack equipment > > > > - Books > > > > - IPExpert Bootcamp and Workbooks > > > > - Three written exam attempts > > > > - Two lab exam attempts > > > > - Two flights from Australia to San Jose (one for bootcamp/exam, one for > > exam) > > > > - Three weeks accommodation while in the USA > > > > > > > > I am now returning to the workforce and am negotiating with potential > > employers and wanted some feedback on what may be the best approach to > > attempt to recuperate some of these costs. > > > > > > > > I feel that the weekly income I earn from my employer is in exchange for > my > > services and does not automatically entitle them to use my CCIE number > for > > improved partner status when they did not contribute towards me obtaining > > this certification. I feel that if my number is going to be used towards > my > > employer being able to buy equipment at greater discount from Cisco then > > the costs incurred by me while achieving that number should be shared, if > > not covered, by the employer. > > > > > > > > Disregarding any lost income over the last year I have spent around > $25,000 > > on equipment, exams, books, bootcamps, flights etc to achieve this > > certification and would ideally like my next employer to agree to cover > > some of these costs. I think the most reasonable ones to negotiate on are > > the exams, flights and accommodation costs considering I don’t plan to > give > > them any books, equipment or training materials I purchased. > > > > > > > > Can anyone share their thoughts on if they believe my stance is > reasonable > > and if so what may be a good approach when bringing this up during > > negotiations? I realise that while this may all be reasonable in theory > it > > may not be the best way to begin employment with a new company so should > be > > dealt with carefully. Does anyone have an experience in dealing with such > > situations? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Ben > > _______________________________________________ > > For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, > please visit www.ipexpert.com > > > > Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out > www.PlatinumPlacement.com > > > > http://onlinestudylist.com/mailman/listinfo/ccie_rs > > _______________________________________________ > For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please > visit www.ipexpert.com > > Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? 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