Hi All thanks very much for the input.
It would seem the general consensus is not to bring it up in my discussions. While I feel like I still would like to I also realise that as yet I don't feel I know what would be the best way to do this and because of this feel that unless I at the least come up with a good way to bring this up then I shouldn't. That being said I see your points and think that a smarter way is probably to just make sure that I negotiate a salary that in the not to distant future covers the expenses I had to pay in the last year. Thanks again for all your input. Ben On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:30 AM, George Leslie <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi Ben, > G'day. > > I'll add my 2p worth. And this may not be popular with others on the > list, but what the hey.... > > If you choose to self finance your CCIE, (and I pretty much am repeating > your route to get it....no pun intended), then you choose to take a short > term financial hit (loss of income, study materials, exam costs, travel > costs etc etc) but in turn increase your salary for the rest of your life. > > If you were a CCNP before, that goes with a certain salary range. CCIEs > get more (although definitely not as lucrative as it once was) and an > employer will factor that into the salary range they offer. This increase, > over time, will pay back your initial investment and get you back in credit > as it were. > > I think CCIE should be seen as an investment, not as a cost. You invest > time, effort, money, blood, sweat and tears and lots of caffeine. > Eventually you get back a 5 digit number. That number over time earns you > additional income that will pay back at least the money aspect. OK, you > may now have grey hair, need stronger reading glasses, and completely > forgotten what it is like of have s** with your missus but that is part of > the sacrifice. CCIE is so much more than just the money. It is like about > showing you are amongst the best in your profession, it is about proving to > yourself and the world you can do it, and with so many CCNP cheats out > there now, proving you really know your subject matter. > > I have been on the employer side of these sorts of arguments before, so if > I can put my company recruiter hat on for now... > > I think it completely wrong to ask an employer to directly pay for some of > the cost you have incurred. That was your choice, not theirs. > Similarly, if the employer accrues additional benefit by having a CCIE, > this is part of why they are recruiting for this job, and offering the > salarary they are. To directly ask them to pay you for this benefit is > again completely wrong. > > If a CCIE candidate came before me for interview and made these two > demands, my response would be two word and the second one would be "off". > > I completely understand where you are coming from, don't get me wrong, but > to try these two tactics at an interview would be a disaster for you!! > > Anyway, light blue touch paper and stand well back.... > > George. > > > Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 17:35:04 +1100 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [OSL | CCIE_RS] Negotiating employers use of CCIE Number > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > I was wondering what peoples thoughts are on the use of ones CCIE number > as > > a negotiation tool with a potential employer? I recently passed my CCIE > > after taking a year off work to study. During that time not only did I > > forgo an income I also paid for all elements of my study including the > > following: > > > > > > > > - Complete rack equipment > > > > - Books > > > > - IPExpert Bootcamp and Workbooks > > > > - Three written exam attempts > > > > - Two lab exam attempts > > > > - Two flights from Australia to San Jose (one for bootcamp/exam, one for > > exam) > > > > - Three weeks accommodation while in the USA > > > > > > > > I am now returning to the workforce and am negotiating with potential > > employers and wanted some feedback on what may be the best approach to > > attempt to recuperate some of these costs. > > > > > > > > I feel that the weekly income I earn from my employer is in exchange for > my > > services and does not automatically entitle them to use my CCIE number > for > > improved partner status when they did not contribute towards me obtaining > > this certification. I feel that if my number is going to be used towards > my > > employer being able to buy equipment at greater discount from Cisco then > > the costs incurred by me while achieving that number should be shared, if > > not covered, by the employer. > > > > > > > > Disregarding any lost income over the last year I have spent around > $25,000 > > on equipment, exams, books, bootcamps, flights etc to achieve this > > certification and would ideally like my next employer to agree to cover > > some of these costs. I think the most reasonable ones to negotiate on are > > the exams, flights and accommodation costs considering I don’t plan to > give > > them any books, equipment or training materials I purchased. > > > > > > > > Can anyone share their thoughts on if they believe my stance is > reasonable > > and if so what may be a good approach when bringing this up during > > negotiations? I realise that while this may all be reasonable in theory > it > > may not be the best way to begin employment with a new company so should > be > > dealt with carefully. Does anyone have an experience in dealing with such > > situations? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Ben > > _______________________________________________ > > For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, > please visit www.ipexpert.com > > > > Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out > www.PlatinumPlacement.com > > > > http://onlinestudylist.com/mailman/listinfo/ccie_rs > _______________________________________________ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out www.PlatinumPlacement.com http://onlinestudylist.com/mailman/listinfo/ccie_rs
