Shhhhhh...NDA. ;-)
Regards, Wayne A. Lawson II - CCIE #5244 Founder & President - IPexpert, Inc. Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 Cell: +1.810.278.1662 Fax: +1.810.454.0130 Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Join our free online support and peer group communities: http://www.IPexpert.com/communities IPexpert - The Global Leader in Self-Study, Classroom-Based, Video-On-Demand and Audio Certification Training Tools for the Cisco CCIE R&S Lab, CCIE Security Lab, CCIE Service Provider Lab , CCIE Voice Lab and CCIE Storage Lab Certifications. _____ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jason sung Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 2:45 PM To: Scott Monasmith Cc: CCIE Voice Online Study List; Devildoc Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] First Failed Attempt at CCIE LAb Here is an excerpt from the report card. "Your CCIE Certification Lab exam was scored based on grading policies that are adhered to uniformly by our proctors worldwide. Marking was based on whether the answer you provided works. Candidates are not required to use a set methodology in achieving a correct result. The imperative is that the solution provided produces the outcome requested. " I do believe that they actually grade you correctly but again there are chances of proctors messing up as well. Like Scott mentioned, I would just focus on things I can control and forget the rest... better luck next time buddy... On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Scott Monasmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: They told me the reason why they don't hold the voice exams is because they would take up a lot more storage (hard drives/images of 3 servers, router configs, etc.) vs. just backing up a few config files from a router/switch to a text file for the R&S lab. Sorry. On 4/5/08, Jonathan Charles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What?!?!? Jonathan On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Scott Monasmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Correct. BUT not available for voice though, Jonathon. > > > > > On 4/5/08, Jonathan Charles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yeah, as I thought: > > > > "Reevaluation of Results > > > > If you are concerned your results are in error, you may request a > > "reread" until 14 days after your lab date via an email to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Each reread costs $250.00 USD and consists of a > > proctor loading your configurations into a rack to recreate the test > > and re-score the entire exam. This process may take up to three weeks > > after receipt of payment" > > > > > > > > Jonathan > > > > On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Jonathan Charles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > There is a rescore option... isn't there? There was for the R&S... > > > > > > > > > Jonathan > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Scott Monasmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Devildoc, I do feel your frustration. I finished my last attempt in a > little > > > > over 5 hours and spent the next 3 hours verifying my work. I walked > out of > > > > the exam feeling like I nailed it. However, based on my score report, > it > > > > reflected a score of about 74-76 points. There were 3 sections where > the > > > > score came out and I was left scratching my head thinking "how can > this be?" > > > > - Talk about deflating. I had plenty of time to verify everthing and > I felt > > > > very good about my chances. And to this day I still have no idea how > I could > > > > have missed points on those sections. > > > > > > > > To me, there are 2 things we can do: > > > > 1. study harder > > > > 2. after each failed attempt, continue to stress to cisco (via the > critique > > > > in your score report) that a re-score option needs to be established > for the > > > > exam. > > > > > > > > If I'm spending $2,000 (exam + travel) for each attempt, the least > they can > > > > do is reassure us that they are doing everything possible to ensure > that > > > > there are no errors in the grading. > > > > > > > > BTW, a proctor told me that voice is the most challenging to grade > since > > > > there is more than one way to achieve the desired results > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/5/08, Jonathan Charles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I ran into the same problem with the R&S lab... there might be 3 or > 4 > > > > > ways to do something, but only one of them gets you points... not > sure > > > > > if this is the same thing on the CCIE Voice lab... but I would bet > it > > > > > is. > > > > > > > > > > No idea on how they grade the test. > > > > > > > > > > But I think a lot has to do with how you use the proctor... so, if > > > > > there are 2 ways to do something, that means to go to the proctor > and > > > > > say, 'hey, I have way A and way B... which one is preferred?' > > > > > > > > > > Now, I would bet that one of those ways doesn't meet the > > > > > requirements... which is why this test is as difficult as it is... > > > > > because you are going to have to know why 'way B' doesn't work... > > > > > which means a deep understanding of not just how to configure > > > > > something, but in the way it works at a protocol level. > > > > > > > > > > For example... let's say I wanted you to set up CAC for a specific > > > > > location. Now, no big, right, just set up locations-based CAC... or > > > > > use the GK... both work... both will provide CAC... but let's say I > > > > > added to that, 'make sure that you can adjust bandwidth on the > fly...' > > > > > now, we know locations-based CAC can't do that, we are looking for > > > > > BRQs and we have to use a GK and enable BRQs in CCM. > > > > > > > > > > The example is probably a bad one, but it is the only one I can > think of. > > > > > > > > > > I do have a question tho... I have heard from people that the CCMs > are > > > > > slow and nearly unresponsive... so, it can take 2 or 3 minutes for > a > > > > > page to load. Is this true? Whee did you take it? > > > > > > > > > > Also, Mark Snow has an example script on the DVDs, that looks like > it > > > > > would take a few hrs to configure on the lab... even if you knew > > > > > scripting... the requirements seem straightforward, but then he > adds > > > > > extra steps to the script... that seem to be from IPCC Scripting > Best > > > > > Practices... and all for probably only 4 points on the test... it > > > > > seems like it would be almost impossible to get any points from > that > > > > > scenario... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jonathan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Devildoc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > > > > > > > I just had my first attempt at the Voice CCIE lab last week, and > of > > > > course, > > > > > > i failed. I knew right away after the lab that i failed. The > reason > > > > why I > > > > > > failed was not due to the lack of or inadequate amount of > knowledge that > > > > I > > > > > > possessed but rather the lack of time. I was so nervous and > stressed out > > > > > > that I tumbled clumsily throughout the day. > > > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion, the lab was not tricky or even difficult. I > actually > > > > think > > > > > > that i over-studied for the lab. The Proctor Workbook and the > Bootcamp > > > > well > > > > > > prepared me for the lab, so there was no problem with the > knowledge > > > > there. > > > > > > Having said that, i was dumbfounded when i got my scores result. > > > > > > > > > > > > And here are my questions. Does anyone know how Cisco grade > these > > > > labs? > > > > > > Is Cisco looking for a specific way to implement a solution or > any > > > > method to > > > > > > implement a solution would work as long as it satifies all of the > > > > > > requirements asked of you in the questions? > > > > > > > > > > > > The reason why i am asking these questions is because even > though i did > > > > not > > > > > > complete the lab, I did complete some sections. I tested those > > > > completed > > > > > > sections and verified that all requirements were met, and still i > > > > received > > > > > > 0% for those completed sections. Shouldn't I have received some > points > > > > for > > > > > > those sections? I know that each question is worth ALL or NO > point for > > > > the > > > > > > correct answer. However, there are many questions in a section, > and if > > > > I > > > > > > completed a section with all requirements met, then i would think > that > > > > at > > > > > > least i would get 1 or 2 questions right if not all. But i see > no point > > > > > > awarded at all for the completed sections, so that means that i > must not > > > > > > have gotten all questions in the section right to get 0%. But > how can > > > > that > > > > > > be since I tested it and verified that all requirements were met > and > > > > that > > > > > > the solutions that i implemented were working. This only means > that my > > > > > > implemented methods were not what Cisco was looking for. > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have the similar experience or is it just me? > > > > > > > > > > > > JD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > Pack up or back up-use SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra > copies. > > > > > > Learn how. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > "There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand > > > > binary, and those who don't" > > > > > > > > > -- > > "There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand > binary, and those who don't" -- "There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't"
