Granted, the time I scored 100% without completing the section was not on my last attempt but on a prior attempt.
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Scott Monasmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know this isn't going to make anyone feel any better, but I did score > 100% on a section that I didn't even finish??? > > I submitted a critique stating my concern about the scoring since this > happened. I scored 100% on CRS and I didn't even do the script. > > This isn't intended to get everyone fired up and angry, but more so to > express our concern to Cisco and use situations like mine as evidence that > the scoring is flawed. Again, based on my last attempt, I felt like I nailed > it, but my scored report said I missed it by 4-6 points. > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Jonathan Charles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > So, basically an 'abandon all hope, all ye who enter here...' > > > > We could boycott it... but that would only hurt us... > > > > > > Jonathan > > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Erik Goppel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The thing is, that the testscripts they run (as far as i`ve heard and > > > experienced) only test some basic but major behaviour. > > > And if the main parts are successfull, they will start grading the > > other > > > parts of your lab. (as a timesaver probably) > > > thats why they probably say, that they don`t care how you do it, as > > long as > > > you can provide the result. > > > > > > Our problem is, that we can`t defend our grading. So if we are > > absolutely > > > sure, that from the 5 questions we`ve answered 4 correctly. but the > > one > > > major question was wrong, resulting in failing the testscript, which > > > resulting in failing all 5 questions (as Cisco sees it). > > > We well get a 0% score on the topic. where we could have an 80% score. > > > > > > So if you are for instance messing up something simple as DHCP, and > > you are > > > not getting any phones up. but you have everything else correct > > configured. > > > you will fail, simply because your built solution is not working in > > total. > > > If you manage to do DHCP, but you suck at QOS, you will pass because > > the QOS > > > (depending on points, and topology) will probably allow the test > > scripts to > > > pass. > > > > > > > > > So i think we should just take it as it comes, and aim for the > > majority of > > > major parts to work. > > > There`s nothing we can do about it. > > > > > > sorry > > > > > > Erik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Jonathan Charles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > I have heard both versions... one that it is not dependent, and one > > > > that it is... no idea any more... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jonathan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Devildoc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > So you are saying that all of the questions in a section are > > > inter-related > > > > > and depends on each other for full points? So if i failed one > > question > > > > > that's critical for the test success of the other questions, and > > even > > > though > > > > > i get all other questions correctly, i still failed because i > > didn't get > > > > > first question correctly. Now that makes sense. And i thought > > they > > > award > > > > > points based on each correct question regardless of how you answer > > other > > > > > questions. > > > > > > > > > > JD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 17:35:57 +0200 > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > To: ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] First Failed Attempt at CCIE LAb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can try, but you are probably wasting time. > > > > > I`ve asked the same question (because i`ve had the same issues) at > > > > > networkers in Barcelona, but no results. > > > > > The statement is, we don`t care how you do it, as long as it > > works, so > > > for > > > > > instance , if you have 4 questions that can only be tested if you > > have > > > an E1 > > > > > up, however you failed to set it up correctly. > > > > > And you are sure you have the 4 remaining questions correct, you > > will > > > fail > > > > > all 5 questions (basterds !!!) > > > > > > > > > > It`s not fair i know, however at the moment we are stuck with this > > kind > > > of > > > > > grading. > > > > > > > > > > sorry. > > > > > > > > > > erik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Devildoc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, if that's the case, then i am horrified at my score. I mean > > my > > > score > > > > > for the call routing section is 0%. How is that even possible? I > > knew > > > that > > > > > i didn't have time to complete the test, so i spent extra time on > > just > > > one > > > > > section to see how it is graded. I verified that all calls were > > > successful > > > > > and all requirements were met. Hell... there were many questions > > in > > > that > > > > > section, and i received zero point for that section? > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone know if there is a Cisco contact where one can inquire > > some > > > > > questions about the lab exam and its grading process? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 13:44:46 -0500 > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > CC: ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] First Failed Attempt at CCIE LAb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is an excerpt from the report card. > > > > > > > > > > "Your CCIE Certification Lab exam was scored based on grading > > policies > > > that > > > > > are adhered to uniformly by our proctors worldwide. Marking was > > based on > > > > > whether the answer you provided works. Candidates are not required > > to > > > use a > > > > > set methodology in achieving a correct result. The imperative is > > that > > > the > > > > > solution provided produces the outcome requested. " > > > > > > > > > > I do believe that they actually grade you correctly but again > > there are > > > > > chances of proctors messing up as well. > > > > > > > > > > Like Scott mentioned, I would just focus on things I can control > > and > > > forget > > > > > the rest... better luck next time buddy... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Scott Monasmith < > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They told me the reason why they don't hold the voice exams is > > because > > > they > > > > > would take up a lot more storage (hard drives/images of 3 servers, > > > router > > > > > configs, etc.) vs. just backing up a few config files from a > > > router/switch > > > > > to a text file for the R&S lab. > > > > > > > > > > Sorry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/5/08, Jonathan Charles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > What?!?!? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jonathan > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Scott Monasmith < > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Correct. BUT not available for voice though, Jonathon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/5/08, Jonathan Charles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Yeah, as I thought: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Reevaluation of Results > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are concerned your results are in error, you may > > request a > > > > > > > "reread" until 14 days after your lab date via an email to > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Each reread costs $250.00 USD and consists > > of a > > > > > > > proctor loading your configurations into a rack to recreate > > the test > > > > > > > and re-score the entire exam. This process may take up to > > three > > > weeks > > > > > > > after receipt of payment" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jonathan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Jonathan Charles < > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > There is a rescore option... isn't there? There was for the > > R&S... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jonathan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Scott Monasmith > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Devildoc, I do feel your frustration. I finished my last > > > attempt in > > > > > a > > > > > > little > > > > > > > > > over 5 hours and spent the next 3 hours verifying my > > work. I > > > walked > > > > > > out of > > > > > > > > > the exam feeling like I nailed it. However, based on my > > score > > > > > report, > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > reflected a score of about 74-76 points. There were 3 > > sections > > > > > where > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > score came out and I was left scratching my head thinking > > "how > > > can > > > > > > this be?" > > > > > > > > > - Talk about deflating. I had plenty of time to verify > > > everthing > > > > > and > > > > > > I felt > > > > > > > > > very good about my chances. And to this day I still have > > no > > > idea > > > > > how > > > > > > I could > > > > > > > > > have missed points on those sections. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To me, there are 2 things we can do: > > > > > > > > > 1. study harder > > > > > > > > > 2. after each failed attempt, continue to stress to cisco > > (via > > > the > > > > > > critique > > > > > > > > > in your score report) that a re-score option needs to be > > > > > established > > > > > > for the > > > > > > > > > exam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I'm spending $2,000 (exam + travel) for each attempt, > > the > > > least > > > > > > they can > > > > > > > > > do is reassure us that they are doing everything possible > > to > > > ensure > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > there are no errors in the grading. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, a proctor told me that voice is the most challenging > > to > > > grade > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > there is more than one way to achieve the desired results > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/5/08, Jonathan Charles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I ran into the same problem with the R&S lab... there > > might > > > be 3 > > > > > or > > > > > > 4 > > > > > > > > > > ways to do something, but only one of them gets you > > points... > > > not > > > > > > sure > > > > > > > > > > if this is the same thing on the CCIE Voice lab... but > > I > > > would > > > > > bet > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No idea on how they grade the test. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I think a lot has to do with how you use the > > proctor... > > > so, > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > there are 2 ways to do something, that means to go to > > the > > > proctor > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > say, 'hey, I have way A and way B... which one is > > preferred?' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, I would bet that one of those ways doesn't meet > > the > > > > > > > > > > requirements... which is why this test is as difficult > > as it > > > > > is... > > > > > > > > > > because you are going to have to know why 'way B' > > doesn't > > > work... > > > > > > > > > > which means a deep understanding of not just how to > > configure > > > > > > > > > > something, but in the way it works at a protocol level. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example... let's say I wanted you to set up CAC for > > a > > > > > specific > > > > > > > > > > location. Now, no big, right, just set up > > locations-based > > > CAC... > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > use the GK... both work... both will provide CAC... but > > let's > > > say > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > added to that, 'make sure that you can adjust bandwidth > > on > > > the > > > > > > fly...' > > > > > > > > > > now, we know locations-based CAC can't do that, we are > > > looking > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > BRQs and we have to use a GK and enable BRQs in CCM. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The example is probably a bad one, but it is the only > > one I > > > can > > > > > > think of. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do have a question tho... I have heard from people > > that the > > > > > CCMs > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > slow and nearly unresponsive... so, it can take 2 or 3 > > > minutes > > > > > for > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > page to load. Is this true? Whee did you take it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Mark Snow has an example script on the DVDs, that > > looks > > > > > like > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > would take a few hrs to configure on the lab... even if > > you > > > knew > > > > > > > > > > scripting... the requirements seem straightforward, but > > then > > > he > > > > > > adds > > > > > > > > > > extra steps to the script... that seem to be from IPCC > > > Scripting > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > > > Practices... and all for probably only 4 points on the > > > test... it > > > > > > > > > > seems like it would be almost impossible to get any > > points > > > from > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > scenario... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jonathan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Devildoc > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just had my first attempt at the Voice CCIE lab > > last > > > week, > > > > > and > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > course, > > > > > > > > > > > i failed. I knew right away after the lab that i > > failed. > > > The > > > > > > reason > > > > > > > > > why I > > > > > > > > > > > failed was not due to the lack of or inadequate > > amount of > > > > > > knowledge that > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > possessed but rather the lack of time. I was so > > nervous and > > > > > > stressed out > > > > > > > > > > > that I tumbled clumsily throughout the day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion, the lab was not tricky or even > > difficult. > > > I > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > that i over-studied for the lab. The Proctor > > Workbook and > > > the > > > > > > Bootcamp > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > prepared me for the lab, so there was no problem with > > the > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > Having said that, i was dumbfounded when i got my > > scores > > > > > result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And here are my questions. Does anyone know how > > Cisco > > > grade > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > labs? > > > > > > > > > > > Is Cisco looking for a specific way to implement a > > solution > > > or > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > method to > > > > > > > > > > > implement a solution would work as long as it > > satifies all > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > requirements asked of you in the questions? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reason why i am asking these questions is > > because even > > > > > > though i did > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > complete the lab, I did complete some sections. I > > tested > > > those > > > > > > > > > completed > > > > > > > > > > > sections and verified that all requirements were met, > > and > > > still > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > received > > > > > > > > > > > 0% for those completed sections. Shouldn't I have > > received > > > > > some > > > > > > points > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > those sections? I know that each question is worth > > ALL or > > > NO > > > > > > point for > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > correct answer. However, there are many questions in > > a > > > > > section, > > > > > > and if > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > completed a section with all requirements met, then i > > would > > > > > think > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > least i would get 1 or 2 questions right if not all. > > But i > > > see > > > > > > no point > > > > > > > > > > > awarded at all for the completed sections, so that > > means > > > that i > > > > > > must not > > > > > > > > > > > have gotten all questions in the section right to get > > 0%. > > > But > > > > > > how can > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > be since I tested it and verified that all > > requirements > > > were > > > > > met > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > the solutions that i implemented were working. This > > only > > > means > > > > > > that my > > > > > > > > > > > implemented methods were not what Cisco was looking > > for. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have the similar experience or is it > > just me? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > Pack up or back up–use SkyDrive to transfer files or > > keep > > > extra > > > > > > copies. > > > > > > > > > > > Learn how. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > "There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those > > who > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > > binary, and those who don't" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > "There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who > > understand > > > > > > binary, and those who don't" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who > > understand > > > > > binary, and those who don't" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live > > > Messenger. > > > > > Get started! > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live > > > Messenger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > "There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand > binary, and those who don't" > -- "There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't"
