Hi Jon,
Congrats, definitely I understand your feeling , when u have to
passed with hard work compare to those that cheat the lab.
Just my opinion looking at the situation in my company on what we
see about CCIE
I do not really agree if CCIE cert is the expert/doctorate in
networking, cause it more to config and troubleshoot for the cisco
equipments. And i think that is the reason Cisco create it beside
the marketing behind it :)
And I meet lots out there with 20 years exp , even without CCNA ,
got the skills and knowledge beyond CCIEs, like understanding the
protocol and work on multiplaform for voice. Sometimes those guy
can solve the issue better than TAC cause they hv more comprehensive
knowledge.
Just opinion :)
Thks,
--- On Thu, 9/3/09, Jonathan Charles <jonv...@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Jonathan Charles <jonv...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] Passed, thanks!
To: "jeremy co" <jeremy.coo...@gmail.com>
Cc: ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com
Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 2:29 PM
The problem is that there are some integrators that actually do a
technical interview... Some companies understand the CCIE is
meaningless and ignore the certification.
I do not.
If you have a CCIE, then I need to CCIE levels of skill.
Jonathan
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 12:44 AM, jeremy co<jeremy.coo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> No offence,
> But IMO you don't need 5 years or whatever years of experience to
get CCIE.
> for being comfortable with lots of issues in the field I agree
with you
> though. CCIE is just an exam, neither proving you have field
experience nor
> knowledge of networking needed for real world project it proves
that you
> understand certain aspect of technology front and back that falls
within
> CCIE exam blueprint.yet acknowledge your troubleshooting skills on
those
> areas.
> if sb ever went through AAR setup and troubleshooting could answer
your
> question, However cheater's would't be able to answer that.
> Anyway , I encourage people to start their CCIE journey even if
you have
> zero experience, buy equipment, get hands on , read Docs and I
call it
> experience. you don't have to be in the field to know in and out
of working
> with cisco equipments you already have in your home lab.
>
> my 2 cents.
>
> Jeremy
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Jonathan Charles
<jonv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just some quick things I wanted to add....
>>
>>
>> First, take this lab as soon as you can... DO NOT WAIT.
>>
>> When Cisco adds DNS, AD, OCS, SIP Providers, T.38 faxing to CUC,
VPIM
>> and a crap load of techs they can't test for yet (missing
underlying
>> infrastructure right now...), this test will become nearly
impossible
>>
>> <moral high horse>
>>
>> Second, I have been doing Cisco VoIP for 5 years now. I started
doing
>> day 2 support for SBC back in 2004.
>>
>> I have the CCNP, CCDP, CCSP and I was one of the first few dozen
>> people to get the CCVP in May of 2005.
>>
>> I have been working on CCM since it was called CCM... I consider
>> myself an expert at dial peers, telco issues, Unity, CallManager
(and
>> CUCM) IPCC, Routing and Switching.
>>
>> I took the R&S Lab back in 2003 (failed it and gave up and went
to do
>> voip...)...
>>
>> All of that being said, I want everyone to realize that the CCIE is
>> NOT a beginner's certification.
>>
>> I mean to say, that if you have less than 5 years of experience in
>> voice, you should expect 5 years of pain and suffering before
passing.
>>
>> The people out there braindumping the exam and passing it with no
>> skills will never get through a tech interview worth a damn. And
they
>> certainly won't be worth a crap on a customer site.
>>
>> I have a tech interview that will annihilate any posers... I do not
>> ask factoid questions, "What plugs into an FXS?" for example, all
of
>> my questions end with the line, 'walk me through your
troubleshooting
>> procedure...'
>>
>> And yes, I have had CCIE R&S's try to get past me who didn't know
why
>> OSPF wouldn't come up when a DS3 was terminating a bunch of DS1s.
And
>> I have had CCIE Voice's try to get past me who couldn't answer this
>> question...:
>>
>> "You have a remote office, Automatic Alternate Routing is
implemented
>> correctly. During a WAN outage, calls are not rerouting to the
PSTN,
>> walk me through your troubleshooting procedure."
>>
>> Yes, the question is mean, yes, the question is unfair and YES, a
>> customer once asked me why calls didn't reroute during a WAN
outage.
>>
>>
>> The next time someone tells you that you should cheat on the
exam, ask
>> them the above question, see if they can answer it, see if they
could
>> handle the normal onslaught of customer questions when you have to
>> explain the limitations and features of Cisco products.
>>
>> </moral highhorse>
>>
>> Party on.
>>
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Jonathan
Charles<jonv...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > OK, took it on Tuesday and passed version 3.0 in RTP... my
number is
>> > 25309
>> >
>> > So, that is done, one less thing.
>> >
>> > Here is how I did it....
>> >
>> > A lot of people post things about how they studied and studied,
yeah I
>> > did that.
>> >
>> > I did two things.
>> >
>> > I built an exact rack of the lab, here is what it was:
>> >
>> > Three DL380 G3s, CUCM Pub, Sub and UCCX 7.
>> > CUPS and CUC ran on VMWare...
>> >
>> > HQ had a Cisco 3750-24PS and a 2821 with a VWIC-1MFT-T1 and a
WIC-1T
>> > with Three PVDM sticks: a 32, a 48 and a 64 (don't ask...)
>> >
>> > SiteB (BR1 for IPExpert labs) was a 2811 with a VWIC-1MFT-T1, a
>> > HWIC-4ESW and a WIC-1T with two PVDM sticks and 16 and a 48
>> >
>> > SiteC (BR2) was a 2821 with a VWIC-2MFT-E1, an NME-CUE, a
>> > -HWIC-9-ESW-D and two PVDM 64s
>> >
>> > Phones were four 7965s, one 7971, two 7961s.
>> >
>> > For the PSTN Router, I used a 3750 with an NM-4T, NM-32A/S, a
>> > VWIC-2MFT-T1 and VWIC-2MFT-E1 and an AIM-VOICE-30, the PSTN
phone was
>> > a 7960.
>> >
>> >
>> > I then got the IPExpert stuff, watched the videos, and read
thru the
>> > labs.
>> >
>> > I used the audio bootcamp to write a book for the lab (this
was for
>> > V2), it was 390 pages long with screen shots on how to do
everything
>> > in CallManager 4.1, Unity 4.0 and IPCC 4.0, with detailed step
by step
>> > guides to do everything on a Cisco router for voice.
>> >
>> > I then updated it for v3 by adding a section for CUPS, CUC and
>> > updating every page for the v3 test. There are sceeenshots for
the
>> > CUE, for CCME, for everything... I even walk you through script
>> > creation...
>> >
>> > I then read the book over and over, used it as a reference
guide for
>> > my labs, configured everything I could think of, if it wasn't
in the
>> > book, it got added... I had the thing at work with me
everywhere I
>> > went, if I ran into something scary at work, it went in the
book.... I
>> > re-read it over and over, checking for errors, proofing it, fact
>> > checking every word... adding jokes...
>> >
>> > It is now 760 pages and two volumes (it was crashing Word)...
>> >
>> > Just to preempt this... It is not for sale, it is not for
sharing...
>> > it contains craploads of copyrighted info from IPexpert,
Internetwork
>> > Expert, CCBootcamp and Cisco (stolen info from Networkers slides)
>> > basically just a tome of data.
>> >
>> > Here is why it is not for sale or for sharing.
>> >
>> > To get the effect I got, you need to write this book yourself, I
>> > recommend that everyone do so.... use something to start, I
recommend
>> > NOT using a written source (you will just copy and paste)...
the audio
>> > bootcamps are perfect for this... you can use it as a framework
for
>> > notes and then flesh out your sections....
>> >
>> > The CCIE is considered the doctorate in internetworking... I
wrote my
>> > thesis and defended it yesterday.
>> >
>> > Good luck.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Jonathan
>> >
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