I could be wrong, but I believe that the CCIE has to work for you for at least one full year before the credential hits your company's profile officially.
Brian -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jonathan Charles Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 2:09 AM To: Michael Ciarfello Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] Passed, thanks! Yes, but I can hire a CCIE, dump him after six months, he can bounce to another company and I have a year to replace him... technically, one CCIE could be credited for 3 companies... J On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Michael Ciarfello<[email protected]> wrote: > You are correct and that is probably still going on. But take this alternate perspective: > > Discount is the bigest reason, but the gap between the certification levels is not as great as it used to be. OIP program is the great protector of lesser certified companies from always getting beaten out by higher level partners. There are also VIP rebates, etc that cloud the profitability issue for higher certified partners even more. So those two programs (and others) help the lesser certified partner compete and be profitable. > > There is also the recently to be more stringent requirement of the CCIE MUST work for the company. No more long distance CCIEs or buying numbers, etc. The partner will lose their certification and the CCIE will lose their certification also. Heard of an example where a company with office on one side of the world had a CCIE associated with them that lived on the other side of the world. Heck of a commute. > > ________________________________________ > From: [email protected] [[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jonathan Charles [[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 3:02 AM > To: Nara Shikamaru > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] Passed, thanks! > > One tiny problem. > > Cisco has placed requirements on their partners that without CCIEs, > you can't attain any real status. > > So, companies will hire the useless CCIEs. > > And a lot of people believe it to be a meal ticket, get your CCIE, > never want for work again.... > > > Jonathan > > On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Nara Shikamaru<[email protected]> wrote: >> No, he's right, it doesn't make someone an expert. No method of training >> can prepare people for the real world like . . . the real world! Experience >> is king. I work with an Engineer at Cisco who is, in fact, a CCIE . . . in >> R&S. His specialty today is in IPCC Enterprise, he's not CCIE Voice and I >> can't think of anyone I would rather speak with when it comes to call >> centers. It's clear when we talk that he not only has a strong command of >> voice applications and call centers but he also understands the appropriate >> application of the technology when it comes to organizations. He gets it >> because he's done it. No education or training in the world can beat >> experience, Ivy League schools can't teach a person to be an effective >> professional, high schools and colleges can't prepare people for >> everything. Education and training is the best start to any worthwhile >> endeavor. But that's all it is; a start. >> >> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Wayne Lawson <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> Erwan - you don't think the CCIE is the "expert" of networking.....are you >>> nuts?....Do you not understand the IT industry?.... >>> >>> Regards, >>> Wayne A. Lawson II - CCIE #5244 >>> Founder & President - IPexpert, Inc. >>> Mailto: [email protected] >>> Mobile: +1.810.334.1564 >>> :: Message sent from iPhone. >>> On Sep 3, 2009, at 10:45 PM, Erwan Erwan <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Jon, >>> >>> Congrats, definitely I understand your feeling , when u have to passed >>> with hard work compare to those that cheat the lab. >>> >>> Just my opinion looking at the situation in my company on what we >>> see about CCIE >>> >>> I do not really agree if CCIE cert is the expert/doctorate in networking, >>> cause it more to config and troubleshoot for the cisco equipments. And i >>> think that is the reason Cisco create it beside the marketing behind it :) >>> >>> And I meet lots out there with 20 years exp , even without CCNA , got the >>> skills and knowledge beyond CCIEs, like understanding the protocol and work >>> on multiplaform for voice. Sometimes those guy can solve the issue better >>> than TAC cause they hv more comprehensive knowledge. >>> >>> Just opinion :) >>> >>> Thks, >>> >>> >>> --- On Thu, 9/3/09, Jonathan Charles <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> From: Jonathan Charles <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] Passed, thanks! >>> To: "jeremy co" <[email protected]> >>> Cc: [email protected] >>> Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 2:29 PM >>> >>> The problem is that there are some integrators that actually do a >>> technical interview... Some companies understand the CCIE is >>> meaningless and ignore the certification. >>> >>> I do not. >>> >>> If you have a CCIE, then I need to CCIE levels of skill. >>> >>> >>> >>> Jonathan >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 12:44 AM, jeremy co<[email protected]> wrote: >>> > No offence, >>> > But IMO you don't need 5 years or whatever years of experience to get >>> > CCIE. >>> > for being comfortable with lots of issues in the field I agree with you >>> > though. CCIE is just an exam, neither proving you have field experience >>> > nor >>> > knowledge of networking needed for real world project it proves that you >>> > understand certain aspect of technology front and back that falls within >>> > CCIE exam blueprint.yet acknowledge your troubleshooting skills on those >>> > areas. >>> > if sb ever went through AAR setup and troubleshooting could answer your >>> > question, However cheater's would't be able to answer that. >>> > Anyway , I encourage people to start their CCIE journey even if you have >>> > zero experience, buy equipment, get hands on , read Docs and I call it >>> > experience. you don't have to be in the field to know in and out of >>> > working >>> > with cisco equipments you already have in your home lab. >>> > >>> > my 2 cents. >>> > >>> > Jeremy >>> > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Jonathan Charles <[email protected]> >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Just some quick things I wanted to add.... >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> First, take this lab as soon as you can... DO NOT WAIT. >>> >> >>> >> When Cisco adds DNS, AD, OCS, SIP Providers, T.38 faxing to CUC, VPIM >>> >> and a crap load of techs they can't test for yet (missing underlying >>> >> infrastructure right now...), this test will become nearly impossible >>> >> >>> >> <moral high horse> >>> >> >>> >> Second, I have been doing Cisco VoIP for 5 years now. I started doing >>> >> day 2 support for SBC back in 2004. >>> >> >>> >> I have the CCNP, CCDP, CCSP and I was one of the first few dozen >>> >> people to get the CCVP in May of 2005. >>> >> >>> >> I have been working on CCM since it was called CCM... I consider >>> >> myself an expert at dial peers, telco issues, Unity, CallManager (and >>> >> CUCM) IPCC, Routing and Switching. >>> >> >>> >> I took the R&S Lab back in 2003 (failed it and gave up and went to do >>> >> voip...)... >>> >> >>> >> All of that being said, I want everyone to realize that the CCIE is >>> >> NOT a beginner's certification. >>> >> >>> >> I mean to say, that if you have less than 5 years of experience in >>> >> voice, you should expect 5 years of pain and suffering before passing. >>> >> >>> >> The people out there braindumping the exam and passing it with no >>> >> skills will never get through a tech interview worth a damn. And they >>> >> certainly won't be worth a crap on a customer site. >>> >> >>> >> I have a tech interview that will annihilate any posers... I do not >>> >> ask factoid questions, "What plugs into an FXS?" for example, all of >>> >> my questions end with the line, 'walk me through your troubleshooting >>> >> procedure...' >>> >> >>> >> And yes, I have had CCIE R&S's try to get past me who didn't know why >>> >> OSPF wouldn't come up when a DS3 was terminating a bunch of DS1s. And >>> >> I have had CCIE Voice's try to get past me who couldn't answer this >>> >> question...: >>> >> >>> >> "You have a remote office, Automatic Alternate Routing is implemented >>> >> correctly. During a WAN outage, calls are not rerouting to the PSTN, >>> >> walk me through your troubleshooting procedure." >>> >> >>> >> Yes, the question is mean, yes, the question is unfair and YES, a >>> >> customer once asked me why calls didn't reroute during a WAN outage. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> The next time someone tells you that you should cheat on the exam, ask >>> >> them the above question, see if they can answer it, see if they could >>> >> handle the normal onslaught of customer questions when you have to >>> >> explain the limitations and features of Cisco products. >>> >> >>> >> </moral highhorse> >>> >> >>> >> Party on. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Jonathan >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Jonathan Charles<[email protected]> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> > OK, took it on Tuesday and passed version 3.0 in RTP... my number is >>> >> > 25309 >>> >> > >>> >> > So, that is done, one less thing. >>> >> > >>> >> > Here is how I did it.... >>> >> > >>> >> > A lot of people post things about how they studied and studied, yeah >>> >> > I >>> >> > did that. >>> >> > >>> >> > I did two things. >>> >> > >>> >> > I built an exact rack of the lab, here is what it was: >>> >> > >>> >> > Three DL380 G3s, CUCM Pub, Sub and UCCX 7. >>> >> > CUPS and CUC ran on VMWare... >>> >> > >>> >> > HQ had a Cisco 3750-24PS and a 2821 with a VWIC-1MFT-T1 and a WIC-1T >>> >> > with Three PVDM sticks: a 32, a 48 and a 64 (don't ask...) >>> >> > >>> >> > SiteB (BR1 for IPExpert labs) was a 2811 with a VWIC-1MFT-T1, a >>> >> > HWIC-4ESW and a WIC-1T with two PVDM sticks and 16 and a 48 >>> >> > >>> >> > SiteC (BR2) was a 2821 with a VWIC-2MFT-E1, an NME-CUE, a >>> >> > -HWIC-9-ESW-D and two PVDM 64s >>> >> > >>> >> > Phones were four 7965s, one 7971, two 7961s. >>> >> > >>> >> > For the PSTN Router, I used a 3750 with an NM-4T, NM-32A/S, a >>> >> > VWIC-2MFT-T1 and VWIC-2MFT-E1 and an AIM-VOICE-30, the PSTN phone was >>> >> > a 7960. >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > I then got the IPExpert stuff, watched the videos, and read thru the >>> >> > labs. >>> >> > >>> >> > I used the audio bootcamp to write a book for the lab (this was for >>> >> > V2), it was 390 pages long with screen shots on how to do everything >>> >> > in CallManager 4.1, Unity 4.0 and IPCC 4.0, with detailed step by >>> >> > step >>> >> > guides to do everything on a Cisco router for voice. >>> >> > >>> >> > I then updated it for v3 by adding a section for CUPS, CUC and >>> >> > updating every page for the v3 test. There are sceeenshots for the >>> >> > CUE, for CCME, for everything... I even walk you through script >>> >> > creation... >>> >> > >>> >> > I then read the book over and over, used it as a reference guide for >>> >> > my labs, configured everything I could think of, if it wasn't in the >>> >> > book, it got added... I had the thing at work with me everywhere I >>> >> > went, if I ran into something scary at work, it went in the book.... >>> >> > I >>> >> > re-read it over and over, checking for errors, proofing it, fact >>> >> > checking every word... adding jokes... >>> >> > >>> >> > It is now 760 pages and two volumes (it was crashing Word)... >>> >> > >>> >> > Just to preempt this... It is not for sale, it is not for sharing... >>> >> > it contains craploads of copyrighted info from IPexpert, Internetwork >>> >> > Expert, CCBootcamp and Cisco (stolen info from Networkers slides) >>> >> > basically just a tome of data. >>> >> > >>> >> > Here is why it is not for sale or for sharing. >>> >> > >>> >> > To get the effect I got, you need to write this book yourself, I >>> >> > recommend that everyone do so.... use something to start, I recommend >>> >> > NOT using a written source (you will just copy and paste)... the >>> >> > audio >>> >> > bootcamps are perfect for this... you can use it as a framework for >>> >> > notes and then flesh out your sections.... >>> >> > >>> >> > The CCIE is considered the doctorate in internetworking... I wrote my >>> >> > thesis and defended it yesterday. >>> >> > >>> >> > Good luck. >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > Jonathan >>> >> > >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, >>> >> please >>> >> visit www.ipexpert.com >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please >>> visit www.ipexpert.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please >>> visit www.ipexpert.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please >>> visit www.ipexpert.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> -Shikamaru >> >> _______________________________________________ >> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please >> visit www.ipexpert.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com > _______________________________________________ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com _______________________________________________ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com
