Congrats!! I still think the Voice CCIE is the hardest one the achieve because of like you said all the different applications and possibilities. (However the Security v3 hasn't had many people passing :-P) --
Regards, Rick Mur CCIE2 #21946 (R&S / Service Provider) Sr. Support Engineer – IPexpert, Inc. URL: http://www.IPexpert.com On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 7:06 AM, Erwan Erwan <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, that is right ! > > --- On *Fri, 9/4/09, Jonathan Charles <[email protected]>* wrote: > > > From: Jonathan Charles <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] Passed, thanks! > To: "Erwan Erwan" <[email protected]> > Cc: "jeremy co" <[email protected]>, [email protected] > Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 12:36 PM > > > Well, to be honest, I agree, but only to the extent that the v2 lab > was known by everyone... if you were at all pegged into the system, > you knew exactly what was on the lab... > > What this really meant was that a lot of people go tthe v2 CCIE Voice who > suck. > > And when I say 'suck', I mean they blow, they are inept, incompetent > and useless. The CCIE was getting watered down to be meaningless. > > > In some companies in Chicagoland they have so many CCIE Voice's that > they don't even give out a raise for the cert anymore (not even cost > of living, I think they are more impressed by people who pass the > CCNA....) > > So, yes, the CCIE is getting a little beaten down. > > Not anymore. > > The test I took on Tuesday was not a test of worst practices, it was > not a test of bizarreness... it was a complex configuration that, if > done correctly proved your understanding... > > The four questions were not very hard, but one was tricky... I am > still not sure of the answer... but I passed, and I might have missed > that one... > > > So, in the final analysis, employers should be asking what version of > CCIE you have... and if you got your CCIE on Version 1 of the test, > you would really need to sit me down and explain to me how that > skillset is current. > > > Also, just because you have a CCIE doesn't mean I waive the tech > interview... we pay our engineers a lot... and we expect them to be > able to do stuff... > > > > Jonathan > > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Erwan > Erwan<[email protected]<http://us.mc587.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> > wrote: > > Hi Jon, > > > > Congrats, definitely I understand your feeling , when u have to passed > with > > hard work compare to those that cheat the lab. > > > > Just my opinion looking at the situation in my company on what we > see about > > CCIE > > > > I do not really agree if CCIE cert is the expert/doctorate in > networking, > > cause it more to config and troubleshoot for the cisco equipments. And i > > think that is the reason Cisco create it beside the marketing behind it > :) > > > > And I meet lots out there with 20 years exp , even without CCNA , got the > > skills and knowledge beyond CCIEs, like understanding the protocol and > work > > on multiplaform for voice. Sometimes those guy can solve the issue > better > > than TAC cause they hv more comprehensive knowledge. > > > > Just opinion :) > > > > Thks, > > > > > > --- On Thu, 9/3/09, Jonathan Charles > > <[email protected]<http://us.mc587.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> > wrote: > > > > From: Jonathan Charles > > <[email protected]<http://us.mc587.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > > Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] Passed, thanks! > > To: "jeremy co" > > <[email protected]<http://us.mc587.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > > Cc: > > [email protected]<http://us.mc587.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 2:29 PM > > > > The problem is that there are some integrators that actually do a > > technical interview... Some companies understand the CCIE is > > meaningless and ignore the certification. > > > > I do not. > > > > If you have a CCIE, then I need to CCIE levels of skill. > > > > > > > > Jonathan > > > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 12:44 AM, jeremy > > co<[email protected]<http://us.mc587.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> > wrote: > >> No offence, > >> But IMO you don't need 5 years or whatever years of experience to get > >> CCIE. > >> for being comfortable with lots of issues in the field I agree with you > >> though. CCIE is just an exam, neither proving you have field experience > >> nor > >> knowledge of networking needed for real world project it proves that you > >> understand certain aspect of technology front and back that falls within > >> CCIE exam blueprint.yet acknowledge your troubleshooting skills on those > >> areas. > >> if sb ever went through AAR setup and troubleshooting could answer your > >> question, However cheater's would't be able to answer that. > >> Anyway , I encourage people to start their CCIE journey even if you have > >> zero experience, buy equipment, get hands on , read Docs and I call it > >> experience. you don't have to be in the field to know in and out of > >> working > >> with cisco equipments you already have in your home lab. > >> > >> my 2 cents. > >> > >> Jeremy > >> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Jonathan Charles > >> <[email protected]<http://us.mc587.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Just some quick things I wanted to add.... > >>> > >>> > >>> First, take this lab as soon as you can... DO NOT WAIT. > >>> > >>> When Cisco adds DNS, AD, OCS, SIP Providers, T.38 faxing to CUC, VPIM > >>> and a crap load of techs they can't test for yet (missing underlying > >>> infrastructure right now...), this test will become nearly impossible > >>> > >>> <moral high horse> > >>> > >>> Second, I have been doing Cisco VoIP for 5 years now. I started doing > >>> day 2 support for SBC back in 2004. > >>> > >>> I have the CCNP, CCDP, CCSP and I was one of the first few dozen > >>> people to get the CCVP in May of 2005. > >>> > >>> I have been working on CCM since it was called CCM... I consider > >>> myself an expert at dial peers, telco issues, Unity, CallManager (and > >>> CUCM) IPCC, Routing and Switching. > >>> > >>> I took the R&S Lab back in 2003 (failed it and gave up and went to do > >>> voip...)... > >>> > >>> All of that being said, I want everyone to realize that the CCIE is > >>> NOT a beginner's certification. > >>> > >>> I mean to say, that if you have less than 5 years of experience in > >>> voice, you should expect 5 years of pain and suffering before passing. > >>> > >>> The people out there braindumping the exam and passing it with no > >>> skills will never get through a tech interview worth a damn. And they > >>> certainly won't be worth a crap on a customer site. > >>> > >>> I have a tech interview that will annihilate any posers... I do not > >>> ask factoid questions, "What plugs into an FXS?" for example, all of > >>> my questions end with the line, 'walk me through your troubleshooting > >>> procedure...' > >>> > >>> And yes, I have had CCIE R&S's try to get past me who didn't know why > >>> OSPF wouldn't come up when a DS3 was terminating a bunch of DS1s. And > >>> I have had CCIE Voice's try to get past me who couldn't answer this > >>> question...: > >>> > >>> "You have a remote office, Automatic Alternate Routing is implemented > >>> correctly. During a WAN outage, calls are not rerouting to the PSTN, > >>> walk me through your troubleshooting procedure." > >>> > >>> Yes, the question is mean, yes, the question is unfair and YES, a > >>> customer once asked me why calls didn't reroute during a WAN outage. > >>> > >>> > >>> The next time someone tells you that you should cheat on the exam, ask > >>> them the above question, see if they can answer it, see if they could > >>> handle the normal onslaught of customer questions when you have to > >>> explain the limitations and features of Cisco products. > >>> > >>> </moral highhorse> > >>> > >>> Party on. > >>> > >>> > >>> Jonathan > >>> > >>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Jonathan > >>> Charles<[email protected]<http://us.mc587.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > >>> wrote: > >>> > OK, took it on Tuesday and passed version 3.0 in RTP... my number is > >>> > 25309 > >>> > > >>> > So, that is done, one less thing. > >>> > > >>> > Here is how I did it.... > >>> > > >>> > A lot of people post things about how they studied and studied, yeah > I > >>> > did that. > >>> > > >>> > I did two things. > >>> > > >>> > I built an exact rack of the lab, here is what it was: > >>> > > >>> > Three DL380 G3s, CUCM Pub, Sub and UCCX 7. > >>> > CUPS and CUC ran on VMWare... > >>> > > >>> > HQ had a Cisco 3750-24PS and a 2821 with a VWIC-1MFT-T1 and a WIC-1T > >>> > with Three PVDM sticks: a 32, a 48 and a 64 (don't ask...) > >>> > > >>> > SiteB (BR1 for IPExpert labs) was a 2811 with a VWIC-1MFT-T1, a > >>> > HWIC-4ESW and a WIC-1T with two PVDM sticks and 16 and a 48 > >>> > > >>> > SiteC (BR2) was a 2821 with a VWIC-2MFT-E1, an NME-CUE, a > >>> > -HWIC-9-ESW-D and two PVDM 64s > >>> > > >>> > Phones were four 7965s, one 7971, two 7961s. > >>> > > >>> > For the PSTN Router, I used a 3750 with an NM-4T, NM-32A/S, a > >>> > VWIC-2MFT-T1 and VWIC-2MFT-E1 and an AIM-VOICE-30, the PSTN phone was > >>> > a 7960. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > I then got the IPExpert stuff, watched the videos, and read thru the > >>> > labs. > >>> > > >>> > I used the audio bootcamp to write a book for the lab (this was for > >>> > V2), it was 390 pages long with screen shots on how to do everything > >>> > in CallManager 4.1, Unity 4.0 and IPCC 4.0, with detailed step by > step > >>> > guides to do everything on a Cisco router for voice. > >>> > > >>> > I then updated it for v3 by adding a section for CUPS, CUC and > >>> > updating every page for the v3 test. There are sceeenshots for the > >>> > CUE, for CCME, for everything... I even walk you through script > >>> > creation... > >>> > > >>> > I then read the book over and over, used it as a reference guide for > >>> > my labs, configured everything I could think of, if it wasn't in the > >>> > book, it got added... I had the thing at work with me everywhere I > >>> > went, if I ran into something scary at work, it went in the book.... > I > >>> > re-read it over and over, checking for errors, proofing it, fact > >>> > checking every word... adding jokes... > >>> > > >>> > It is now 760 pages and two volumes (it was crashing Word)... > >>> > > >>> > Just to preempt this... It is not for sale, it is not for sharing... > >>> > it contains craploads of copyrighted info from IPexpert, Internetwork > >>> > Expert, CCBootcamp and Cisco (stolen info from Networkers slides) > >>> > basically just a tome of data. > >>> > > >>> > Here is why it is not for sale or for sharing. > >>> > > >>> > To get the effect I got, you need to write this book yourself, I > >>> > recommend that everyone do so.... use something to start, I recommend > >>> > NOT using a written source (you will just copy and paste)... the > audio > >>> > bootcamps are perfect for this... you can use it as a framework for > >>> > notes and then flesh out your sections.... > >>> > > >>> > The CCIE is considered the doctorate in internetworking... I wrote my > >>> > thesis and defended it yesterday. > >>> > > >>> > Good luck. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Jonathan > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, > please > >>> visit www.ipexpert.com > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please > > visit www.ipexpert.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please > visit www.ipexpert.com > >
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