Not sure about that... Everyone says the same thing, but I have seen the BluePrint for R&S for October... holy crap...
J On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 2:24 AM, Rick Mur<[email protected]> wrote: > Congrats!! I still think the Voice CCIE is the hardest one the achieve > because of like you said all the different applications and possibilities. > (However the Security v3 hasn't had many people passing :-P) > -- > > Regards, > > Rick Mur > CCIE2 #21946 (R&S / Service Provider) > Sr. Support Engineer – IPexpert, Inc. > URL: http://www.IPexpert.com > > > On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 7:06 AM, Erwan Erwan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Yes, that is right ! >> >> --- On Fri, 9/4/09, Jonathan Charles <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> From: Jonathan Charles <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] Passed, thanks! >> To: "Erwan Erwan" <[email protected]> >> Cc: "jeremy co" <[email protected]>, [email protected] >> Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 12:36 PM >> >> Well, to be honest, I agree, but only to the extent that the v2 lab >> was known by everyone... if you were at all pegged into the system, >> you knew exactly what was on the lab... >> >> What this really meant was that a lot of people go tthe v2 CCIE Voice who >> suck. >> >> And when I say 'suck', I mean they blow, they are inept, incompetent >> and useless. The CCIE was getting watered down to be meaningless. >> >> >> In some companies in Chicagoland they have so many CCIE Voice's that >> they don't even give out a raise for the cert anymore (not even cost >> of living, I think they are more impressed by people who pass the >> CCNA....) >> >> So, yes, the CCIE is getting a little beaten down. >> >> Not anymore. >> >> The test I took on Tuesday was not a test of worst practices, it was >> not a test of bizarreness... it was a complex configuration that, if >> done correctly proved your understanding... >> >> The four questions were not very hard, but one was tricky... I am >> still not sure of the answer... but I passed, and I might have missed >> that one... >> >> >> So, in the final analysis, employers should be asking what version of >> CCIE you have... and if you got your CCIE on Version 1 of the test, >> you would really need to sit me down and explain to me how that >> skillset is current. >> >> >> Also, just because you have a CCIE doesn't mean I waive the tech >> interview... we pay our engineers a lot... and we expect them to be >> able to do stuff... >> >> >> >> Jonathan >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Erwan Erwan<[email protected]> wrote: >> > Hi Jon, >> > >> > Congrats, definitely I understand your feeling , when u have to passed >> > with >> > hard work compare to those that cheat the lab. >> > >> > Just my opinion looking at the situation in my company on what we >> > see about >> > CCIE >> > >> > I do not really agree if CCIE cert is the expert/doctorate in >> > networking, >> > cause it more to config and troubleshoot for the cisco equipments. And i >> > think that is the reason Cisco create it beside the marketing behind it >> > :) >> > >> > And I meet lots out there with 20 years exp , even without CCNA , got >> > the >> > skills and knowledge beyond CCIEs, like understanding the protocol and >> > work >> > on multiplaform for voice. Sometimes those guy can solve the issue >> > better >> > than TAC cause they hv more comprehensive knowledge. >> > >> > Just opinion :) >> > >> > Thks, >> > >> > >> > --- On Thu, 9/3/09, Jonathan Charles <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > From: Jonathan Charles <[email protected]> >> > Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] Passed, thanks! >> > To: "jeremy co" <[email protected]> >> > Cc: [email protected] >> > Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 2:29 PM >> > >> > The problem is that there are some integrators that actually do a >> > technical interview... Some companies understand the CCIE is >> > meaningless and ignore the certification. >> > >> > I do not. >> > >> > If you have a CCIE, then I need to CCIE levels of skill. >> > >> > >> > >> > Jonathan >> > >> > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 12:44 AM, jeremy co<[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> >> No offence, >> >> But IMO you don't need 5 years or whatever years of experience to get >> >> CCIE. >> >> for being comfortable with lots of issues in the field I agree with you >> >> though. CCIE is just an exam, neither proving you have field experience >> >> nor >> >> knowledge of networking needed for real world project it proves that >> >> you >> >> understand certain aspect of technology front and back that falls >> >> within >> >> CCIE exam blueprint.yet acknowledge your troubleshooting skills on >> >> those >> >> areas. >> >> if sb ever went through AAR setup and troubleshooting could answer your >> >> question, However cheater's would't be able to answer that. >> >> Anyway , I encourage people to start their CCIE journey even if you >> >> have >> >> zero experience, buy equipment, get hands on , read Docs and I call it >> >> experience. you don't have to be in the field to know in and out of >> >> working >> >> with cisco equipments you already have in your home lab. >> >> >> >> my 2 cents. >> >> >> >> Jeremy >> >> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Jonathan Charles <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Just some quick things I wanted to add.... >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> First, take this lab as soon as you can... DO NOT WAIT. >> >>> >> >>> When Cisco adds DNS, AD, OCS, SIP Providers, T.38 faxing to CUC, VPIM >> >>> and a crap load of techs they can't test for yet (missing underlying >> >>> infrastructure right now...), this test will become nearly impossible >> >>> >> >>> <moral high horse> >> >>> >> >>> Second, I have been doing Cisco VoIP for 5 years now. I started doing >> >>> day 2 support for SBC back in 2004. >> >>> >> >>> I have the CCNP, CCDP, CCSP and I was one of the first few dozen >> >>> people to get the CCVP in May of 2005. >> >>> >> >>> I have been working on CCM since it was called CCM... I consider >> >>> myself an expert at dial peers, telco issues, Unity, CallManager (and >> >>> CUCM) IPCC, Routing and Switching. >> >>> >> >>> I took the R&S Lab back in 2003 (failed it and gave up and went to do >> >>> voip...)... >> >>> >> >>> All of that being said, I want everyone to realize that the CCIE is >> >>> NOT a beginner's certification. >> >>> >> >>> I mean to say, that if you have less than 5 years of experience in >> >>> voice, you should expect 5 years of pain and suffering before passing. >> >>> >> >>> The people out there braindumping the exam and passing it with no >> >>> skills will never get through a tech interview worth a damn. And they >> >>> certainly won't be worth a crap on a customer site. >> >>> >> >>> I have a tech interview that will annihilate any posers... I do not >> >>> ask factoid questions, "What plugs into an FXS?" for example, all of >> >>> my questions end with the line, 'walk me through your troubleshooting >> >>> procedure...' >> >>> >> >>> And yes, I have had CCIE R&S's try to get past me who didn't know why >> >>> OSPF wouldn't come up when a DS3 was terminating a bunch of DS1s. And >> >>> I have had CCIE Voice's try to get past me who couldn't answer this >> >>> question...: >> >>> >> >>> "You have a remote office, Automatic Alternate Routing is implemented >> >>> correctly. During a WAN outage, calls are not rerouting to the PSTN, >> >>> walk me through your troubleshooting procedure." >> >>> >> >>> Yes, the question is mean, yes, the question is unfair and YES, a >> >>> customer once asked me why calls didn't reroute during a WAN outage. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> The next time someone tells you that you should cheat on the exam, ask >> >>> them the above question, see if they can answer it, see if they could >> >>> handle the normal onslaught of customer questions when you have to >> >>> explain the limitations and features of Cisco products. >> >>> >> >>> </moral highhorse> >> >>> >> >>> Party on. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Jonathan >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Jonathan Charles<[email protected]> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> > OK, took it on Tuesday and passed version 3.0 in RTP... my number is >> >>> > 25309 >> >>> > >> >>> > So, that is done, one less thing. >> >>> > >> >>> > Here is how I did it.... >> >>> > >> >>> > A lot of people post things about how they studied and studied, yeah >> >>> > I >> >>> > did that. >> >>> > >> >>> > I did two things. >> >>> > >> >>> > I built an exact rack of the lab, here is what it was: >> >>> > >> >>> > Three DL380 G3s, CUCM Pub, Sub and UCCX 7. >> >>> > CUPS and CUC ran on VMWare... >> >>> > >> >>> > HQ had a Cisco 3750-24PS and a 2821 with a VWIC-1MFT-T1 and a >> >>> > WIC-1T >> >>> > with Three PVDM sticks: a 32, a 48 and a 64 (don't ask...) >> >>> > >> >>> > SiteB (BR1 for IPExpert labs) was a 2811 with a VWIC-1MFT-T1, a >> >>> > HWIC-4ESW and a WIC-1T with two PVDM sticks and 16 and a 48 >> >>> > >> >>> > SiteC (BR2) was a 2821 with a VWIC-2MFT-E1, an NME-CUE, a >> >>> > -HWIC-9-ESW-D and two PVDM 64s >> >>> > >> >>> > Phones were four 7965s, one 7971, two 7961s. >> >>> > >> >>> > For the PSTN Router, I used a 3750 with an NM-4T, NM-32A/S, a >> >>> > VWIC-2MFT-T1 and VWIC-2MFT-E1 and an AIM-VOICE-30, the PSTN phone >> >>> > was >> >>> > a 7960. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > I then got the IPExpert stuff, watched the videos, and read thru the >> >>> > labs. >> >>> > >> >>> > I used the audio bootcamp to write a book for the lab (this was for >> >>> > V2), it was 390 pages long with screen shots on how to do everything >> >>> > in CallManager 4.1, Unity 4.0 and IPCC 4.0, with detailed step by >> >>> > step >> >>> > guides to do everything on a Cisco router for voice. >> >>> > >> >>> > I then updated it for v3 by adding a section for CUPS, CUC and >> >>> > updating every page for the v3 test. There are sceeenshots for the >> >>> > CUE, for CCME, for everything... I even walk you through script >> >>> > creation... >> >>> > >> >>> > I then read the book over and over, used it as a reference guide for >> >>> > my labs, configured everything I could think of, if it wasn't in the >> >>> > book, it got added... I had the thing at work with me everywhere I >> >>> > went, if I ran into something scary at work, it went in the book.... >> >>> > I >> >>> > re-read it over and over, checking for errors, proofing it, fact >> >>> > checking every word... adding jokes... >> >>> > >> >>> > It is now 760 pages and two volumes (it was crashing Word)... >> >>> > >> >>> > Just to preempt this... It is not for sale, it is not for sharing... >> >>> > it contains craploads of copyrighted info from IPexpert, >> >>> > Internetwork >> >>> > Expert, CCBootcamp and Cisco (stolen info from Networkers slides) >> >>> > basically just a tome of data. >> >>> > >> >>> > Here is why it is not for sale or for sharing. >> >>> > >> >>> > To get the effect I got, you need to write this book yourself, I >> >>> > recommend that everyone do so.... use something to start, I >> >>> > recommend >> >>> > NOT using a written source (you will just copy and paste)... the >> >>> > audio >> >>> > bootcamps are perfect for this... you can use it as a framework for >> >>> > notes and then flesh out your sections.... >> >>> > >> >>> > The CCIE is considered the doctorate in internetworking... I wrote >> >>> > my >> >>> > thesis and defended it yesterday. >> >>> > >> >>> > Good luck. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Jonathan >> >>> > >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, >> >>> please >> >>> visit www.ipexpert.com >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, >> > please >> > visit www.ipexpert.com >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please >> visit www.ipexpert.com >> > > _______________________________________________ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com
