For those of you that are starting or now moving from your old voice studies to the now "new collab" studies, which material are you using (360, IPExperts, etc)?
Ideally, I'd like to start with getting set up, going through scenarios and example questions to get fully lab ready before attending an IPExperts training. Kenneth Staples (Shift 7am – 4pm CST) Customer Support Engineer Cisco RMS - Unified Communications kstap...@cisco.com Phone: +1 512 340 3143 CCNOC = 866-777-6269 GVNOC = 866-643-9428 TelePresence = (888) 654-9113 Cisco Systems, Inc. 9500 Amberglen Blvd. United States Cisco.com - http://www.cisco.com This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. For corporate legal information go to: http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/index.html From: Bill Lake <whl...@gmail.com<mailto:whl...@gmail.com>> Date: Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:38 AM To: "wilson.sam...@bt.com<mailto:wilson.sam...@bt.com>" <wilson.sam...@bt.com<mailto:wilson.sam...@bt.com>> Cc: CCIE Study <ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com<mailto:ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com>> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Lab Prep via VMware Well, I found using ESXi and creating a lab workstation as one of my VM's worked well. I setup with a remote access client and I had access to my lab from anywhere and from any device supported by my client. This was very helpful and you don't need a full blown server (I have a Intel i5 with desktop board and 16GB RAM, I use 3 HDD to spread out the VM's and multiple NIC's to separate server traffic) as you just need enough memory as this is just a lab. On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 7:34 AM, <wilson.sam...@bt.com<mailto:wilson.sam...@bt.com>> wrote: Thanks Justin for the post. I have had used the Dell Precision 390 with 16 G RAM, however the noise and the power consumption is just bit crazy and the second most important aspect is that, one can be mobile with Mac Pro, not a doable situation with fat cat server. Btw, have you already passed your Lab? If you are in case preparing for the Collab version, I wanted to know if there are IPExpert is already providing the training for it and what about the lab network layout for the same. Regards Sam Wilson ________________________________ From: ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com<mailto:ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com> [ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com<mailto:ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com>] On Behalf Of Justin Carney [justin.s.car...@gmail.com<mailto:justin.s.car...@gmail.com>] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:24 AM To: Chrysostomos Christofi Cc: ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com<mailto:ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com>, (ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com<mailto:ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com>) Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Lab Prep via VMware I have been using an older macbook pro with 16gb to run my vms on fusion. (I was running the officially supported 8gb max up until 2 months ago when I got a 16gb kit on amazon for $150) I use the physical ethernet port in bridged mode (ie no nat, vms have layer 2 access to the eth0 port) for all vms and have my physical switch (hq switch) directly connected. All routers are behind the access switch and when I practice lan qos I just use an unused switchport since my "pc" port is also my "server" port. On my mac I also have wifi enabled and that has a default route. The phys eth0 port has a static ip (same subnet as my vms) but NO default route. I use the mac os x terminal app (think cmd prompt on a pc) to add static routes to all vm/lab subnets to use the eth0 while general internet traffic uses wifi default route. In this setup I *could* access gui from mac (ffox, safari, chrome) to cucm but latley I have used an xp vm full screen on an external monitor for my mock labs...to avoid nuances in my mac os x (non-ie browsers and terminal) versus the win xp (ie and putty) when you sit the real lab. If you're willing to spend the cash I highly recommend using hard phones (I just use 7961) and your own switch and routers. The reason I used my laptop rather than a beefy server was because I can take the vms with me anywhere and practice the gui sections while at work or travelling. (I could also use softphones to practice using only my laptop, just like some of the ipexpert bls demo videos.) I think newer versions of fusion let you build a loopback interface for the mac but I actually built an rj45 loopback plug for my physical ethernet port (on a mac the static ip on the physical eth port is only "up" when it is connected to a switch...or my loopback plug). Regarding vm sizing, fusion (and the free vmware player for pc) does NOT allow you to oversubscribe you ram. If you have 6 vms with 2gb vram each you must have 6*2=12gb ram on the mac...right now I can run 6 vms all together: -pub 1.5gb -sub .75gb -cuc 1gb -ccx 2gb (it doesn't work right for me after change ram post install of app) -cups 1gb -win xp 2gb When I had 8gb previously I could run them all but it was near 100% ram usage on the mac and it slowed to a crawl so I would only run one of the apps (cuc, ccx, or cups) at a time or even shutdown the sub if needed. Bottom line is practice whatever way works for you within your budget. I needed to be mobile so I used my laptop. If I had a dedicated rack and phones at work I would have used a server there instead and just vpn/rdp while remote. On windows laptop vmware player would be very similar - 8gb is do-able, but 16gb is ideal. I think the paid version of vmware workstation (under 100 I think) may let you oversuvscribe ram. If using a random server with esxi (or esxi on a vm inside fusion or player), you can oversubscribe ram but I wouldn't recommend it. Either way you connect your esxi server or laptop to a physical switch. Someone else suggested using the 3750 poe for all phones and skipping the esw wic and nm modules-I agree those aren't anything fancy just use the 3750 and config site b and c as trunk ports instead if avvess ports. Hope this helps... -Justin (Sent from my phone, please excuse and/or laugh at any typos.) On Dec 12, 2013 7:49 AM, "Chrysostomos Christofi" <ch.christ...@logicom.net<mailto:ch.christ...@logicom.net>> wrote: Hi Actually I mean about switch and router From: Bennajer Isidro [mailto:bennajer.isi...@outlook.com<mailto:bennajer.isi...@outlook.com>] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 2:38 PM To: Chrysostomos Christofi Cc: wilson.sam...@bt.com<mailto:wilson.sam...@bt.com>; kstap...@cisco.com<mailto:kstap...@cisco.com>; josh.pe...@gmail.com<mailto:josh.pe...@gmail.com>; ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com<mailto:ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Lab Prep via VMware I just started my voice study. Currently im running all my equipment in virtual environment. To install all uc server. U can try to dl vmplayer then install esxi inside of it. On 12 Dec, 2013, at 20:15, "Chrysostomos Christofi" <ch.christ...@logicom.net<mailto:ch.christ...@logicom.net>> wrote: Hi Could you pls advice how to run a switch and router into vm workstation? From:ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com<mailto:ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com> [mailto:ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com] On Behalf Of wilson.sam...@bt.com<mailto:wilson.sam...@bt.com> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 1:09 PM To: kstap...@cisco.com<mailto:kstap...@cisco.com>; josh.pe...@gmail.com<mailto:josh.pe...@gmail.com> Cc: ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com<mailto:ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Lab Prep via VMware Hi Kenneth, I have used VMWare Workstation ver 8 ( I am not very sure what version I am running for the last 1 year) but VMWare Workstation works fine, no issues at all. However, there is one catch, and that is, one is at the mercy of the Host OS's resource allocations (CPUs, Memory etc) and that tends to slow down the installation in most of the times (I have an old Dual Xeon, 16 GB Mem with 500G + 1 TB HDD on which I run these beasts) the Host OS is Win XP 64 Bit and it works, though I can run almost 5 VMs in parallel, it becomes slow, thanks to the XP BUT, just last sunday I saw my colleague running OS X on his Mac Pro Notebook, with 4 VMs (with UC 7.0 Servers) and Call of Duty and 2 Windows Server 2003 VMs without ANY hint of slowing down the system or turning it into an oven. That experience makes me believe that, its much better to go for a Mac Pro (16 GB ver or whatever the max is allowed) and play whatever you like on it, with the help of VMWare Fusion (thats what he is running). I am pretty sure, this setup is worth it, if it works easy, because just 2 run any machine with 2 CPUs (with Cooling and HDD incl) can make a good size hole whenever the electricity bill comes due :-| Let us know which road you are taking, I am almost certain to go with the Mac Pro route. Regards ________________________________ From:ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com<mailto:ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com> [ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com<mailto:ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com>] On Behalf Of Kenneth Staples (kstaples) [kstap...@cisco.com<mailto:kstap...@cisco.com>] Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 9:25 PM To: Josh Petro Cc: ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com<mailto:ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Lab Prep via VMware Thanks for sharing that valuable info Josh. Me and my peers were speaking about that exact thing (having the routers and switches. I'll make sure and use the ESXi over the desktop version. Thanks again. Kenneth Staples (Shift 7am – 4pm CST) Customer Support Engineer Cisco RMS - Unified Communications kstap...@cisco.com<https://webmail.bt.com/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx> Phone: +1 512 340 3143<tel:%2B1%20512%20340%203143> CCNOC = 866-777-6269<tel:866-777-6269> GVNOC = 866-643-9428<tel:866-643-9428> TelePresence = (888) 654-9113<tel:%28888%29%20654-9113> Cisco Systems, Inc. 9500 Amberglen Blvd. United States Cisco.com<http://Cisco.com> - http://www.cisco.com This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. For corporate legal information go to: http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/index.html From: Josh Petro <josh.pe...@gmail.com<mailto:josh.pe...@gmail.com>> Date: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 8:21 PM To: Kenneth Staples <kstap...@cisco.com<mailto:kstap...@cisco.com>> Cc: "ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com<mailto:ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com>" <ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com<mailto:ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com>> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Lab Prep via VMware If you're serious about studying, I would avoid the desktop version and go with ESXi and a good, reliable machine. You'll be fighting fatigue, the labs and learning new stuff, so adding troubleshooting a VMware Desktop issue will only frustrate you unnecessarily. I have 7961's and they were fine. I would recommend getting two 9900 series phones if you can so you can simulate video. Trust me, having the phones, gateways and switch will help a ton. Also, just find a 3750 switch and forget the router switch-modules. It's much easier and you'll still learn the needed commands. Just make sure you pay attention to the commands for those switch-modules (for VLAN setup, etc.) when studying. Anyone else, please feel free to comment. Josh On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Kenneth Staples (kstaples) <kstap...@cisco.com<mailto:kstap...@cisco.com>> wrote: Thanks josh. I've been hearing that the VMWare desktop should be all that's needed with the exception of some physical routers/switches for the branch sites and phones of course. The the Lab requirements for the new Collab IE, what more equipment may be needed….or will your current set up be sufficient? Might need additional phones of course for video. Thanks Kenneth Staples (Shift 7am – 4pm CST) Customer Support Engineer Cisco RMS - Unified Communications kstap...@cisco.com<http://kstap...@cisco.com> Phone: +1 512 340 3143<tel:%2B1%20512%20340%203143> CCNOC = 866-777-6269<tel:866-777-6269> GVNOC = 866-643-9428<tel:866-643-9428> TelePresence = (888) 654-9113<tel:%28888%29%20654-9113> Cisco Systems, Inc. 9500 Amberglen Blvd. United States Cisco.com<http://Cisco.com> - http://www.cisco.com This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. For corporate legal information go to: http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/index.html From: Josh Petro <josh.pe...@gmail.com<mailto:josh.pe...@gmail.com>> Date: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 12:37 PM To: Kenneth Staples <kstap...@cisco.com<mailto:kstap...@cisco.com>> Cc: "ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com<mailto:ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com>" <ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com<mailto:ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com>> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Lab Prep via VMware Kenneth I run my entire lab on ESXi 5.1 in demo mode. Saves having to purchase since this is lab anyhow. Just shutdown the VMs and the host when you're don't for the day and you'll get some time out of it. I have a dell workstation with a Xeon processor with 6 cores and 24gb RAM. The more important equipment is the routers. I did two attempts on the voice lab and having the routers makes a huge difference for home studying. For collaboration, you can get by with most of the 2800/3800 features until a 2900/3900 is available on the cheap. Josh On Tuesday, December 10, 2013, Kenneth Staples (kstaples) wrote: I wanted to ask if there is anyone out there preparing for the Voice CCIE lab using a VM server for the all UC servers involved and maybe even for the routers/switches as well? I could understand if your running all the UC servers on one VM server and the routers/switches that are needed are seperate from the VM. The reason I ask is because I'd like to see if it's possible to study convenient from my home (without having run 4 to 5 servers) rather than coming into the office to study for the lab. Ideally, I'd like to have one VM server running all UC nodes, and maybe a couple of routers/switches (non VM if necessary) and of course the physical phones to run from my home for easy/convenience of studying and less equipment as possible. However, I'm not sure if this is possible. 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