Kenneth, I'm using 360 now since I had it for the Voice track already and it just converted over. I highly recommend 360 because of the practice labs. Since you're a Cisco employee, you can probably get it for close to nothing or free. I'd ask your manager. I don't believe IPExpert has anything out yet, but I do feel their training material and VoDs are far better than 360. Having gone through both programs, I'd say IPExpert has the edge, but again, the practice tests from 360 are a HUGE help simply because they're graded using the same engine as the real test. Josh
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Kenneth Staples (kstaples) < kstap...@cisco.com> wrote: > For those of you that are starting or now moving from your old voice > studies to the now "new collab" studies, which material are you using (360, > IPExperts, etc)? > > Ideally, I'd like to start with getting set up, going through scenarios > and example questions to get fully lab ready before attending an IPExperts > training. > > > > Kenneth Staples (Shift 7am – 4pm CST) > Customer Support Engineer > Cisco RMS - Unified Communications > kstap...@cisco.com > Phone: +1 512 340 3143 > CCNOC = 866-777-6269 > GVNOC = 866-643-9428 > TelePresence = (888) 654-9113 > Cisco Systems, Inc. > 9500 Amberglen Blvd. > United States > Cisco.com - http://www.cisco.com > > This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole > use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution or disclosure > by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or > authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by > reply email and delete all copies of this message. > > For corporate legal information go to: > http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/index.html > > From: Bill Lake <whl...@gmail.com> > Date: Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:38 AM > To: "wilson.sam...@bt.com" <wilson.sam...@bt.com> > Cc: CCIE Study <ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com> > > Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Lab Prep via VMware > > Well, I found using ESXi and creating a lab workstation as one of my > VM's worked well. I setup with a remote access client and I had access to > my lab from anywhere and from any device supported by my client. > > This was very helpful and you don't need a full blown server (I have a > Intel i5 with desktop board and 16GB RAM, I use 3 HDD to spread out the > VM's and multiple NIC's to separate server traffic) as you just need enough > memory as this is just a lab. > > > > > On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 7:34 AM, <wilson.sam...@bt.com> wrote: > >> Thanks Justin for the post. >> >> I have had used the Dell Precision 390 with 16 G RAM, however the noise >> and the power consumption is just bit crazy and the second most important >> aspect is that, one can be mobile with Mac Pro, not a doable situation with >> fat cat server. >> >> Btw, have you already passed your Lab? >> >> If you are in case preparing for the Collab version, I wanted to know if >> there are IPExpert is already providing the training for it and what about >> the lab network layout for the same. >> >> Regards >> Sam Wilson >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com [ >> ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com] On Behalf Of Justin Carney [ >> justin.s.car...@gmail.com] >> *Sent:* Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:24 AM >> *To:* Chrysostomos Christofi >> *Cc:* ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com, (ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com) >> *Subject:* Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Lab Prep via VMware >> >> I have been using an older macbook pro with 16gb to run my vms on >> fusion. (I was running the officially supported 8gb max up until 2 months >> ago when I got a 16gb kit on amazon for $150) >> >> I use the physical ethernet port in bridged mode (ie no nat, vms have >> layer 2 access to the eth0 port) for all vms and have my physical switch >> (hq switch) directly connected. All routers are behind the access switch >> and when I practice lan qos I just use an unused switchport since my "pc" >> port is also my "server" port. >> >> On my mac I also have wifi enabled and that has a default route. The >> phys eth0 port has a static ip (same subnet as my vms) but NO default >> route. I use the mac os x terminal app (think cmd prompt on a pc) to add >> static routes to all vm/lab subnets to use the eth0 while general internet >> traffic uses wifi default route. In this setup I *could* access gui from >> mac (ffox, safari, chrome) to cucm but latley I have used an xp vm full >> screen on an external monitor for my mock labs...to avoid nuances in my mac >> os x (non-ie browsers and terminal) versus the win xp (ie and putty) when >> you sit the real lab. >> >> If you're willing to spend the cash I highly recommend using hard phones >> (I just use 7961) and your own switch and routers. The reason I used my >> laptop rather than a beefy server was because I can take the vms with me >> anywhere and practice the gui sections while at work or travelling. (I >> could also use softphones to practice using only my laptop, just like some >> of the ipexpert bls demo videos.) I think newer versions of fusion let you >> build a loopback interface for the mac but I actually built an rj45 >> loopback plug for my physical ethernet port (on a mac the static ip on the >> physical eth port is only "up" when it is connected to a switch...or my >> loopback plug). >> >> Regarding vm sizing, fusion (and the free vmware player for pc) does NOT >> allow you to oversubscribe you ram. If you have 6 vms with 2gb vram each >> you must have 6*2=12gb ram on the mac...right now I can run 6 vms all >> together: >> -pub 1.5gb >> -sub .75gb >> -cuc 1gb >> -ccx 2gb (it doesn't work right for me after change ram post install of >> app) >> -cups 1gb >> -win xp 2gb >> >> When I had 8gb previously I could run them all but it was near 100% ram >> usage on the mac and it slowed to a crawl so I would only run one of the >> apps (cuc, ccx, or cups) at a time or even shutdown the sub if needed. >> >> Bottom line is practice whatever way works for you within your budget. I >> needed to be mobile so I used my laptop. If I had a dedicated rack and >> phones at work I would have used a server there instead and just vpn/rdp >> while remote. >> >> On windows laptop vmware player would be very similar - 8gb is do-able, >> but 16gb is ideal. I think the paid version of vmware workstation (under >> 100 I think) may let you oversuvscribe ram. If using a random server with >> esxi (or esxi on a vm inside fusion or player), you can oversubscribe ram >> but I wouldn't recommend it. Either way you connect your esxi server or >> laptop to a physical switch. Someone else suggested using the 3750 poe for >> all phones and skipping the esw wic and nm modules-I agree those aren't >> anything fancy just use the 3750 and config site b and c as trunk ports >> instead if avvess ports. >> >> Hope this helps... >> >> -Justin >> >> (Sent from my phone, please excuse and/or laugh at any typos.) >> On Dec 12, 2013 7:49 AM, "Chrysostomos Christofi" < >> ch.christ...@logicom.net> wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Actually I mean about switch and router >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Bennajer Isidro [mailto:bennajer.isi...@outlook.com] >>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 12, 2013 2:38 PM >>> *To:* Chrysostomos Christofi >>> *Cc:* wilson.sam...@bt.com; kstap...@cisco.com; josh.pe...@gmail.com; >>> ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Lab Prep via VMware >>> >>> >>> >>> I just started my voice study. Currently im running all my equipment in >>> virtual environment. To install all uc server. U can try to dl vmplayer >>> then install esxi inside of it. >>> >>> >>> On 12 Dec, 2013, at 20:15, "Chrysostomos Christofi" < >>> ch.christ...@logicom.net> wrote: >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> >>> >>> Could you pls advice how to run a switch and router into vm workstation? >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:*ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com [ >>> mailto:ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com<ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com>] >>> *On Behalf Of *wilson.sam...@bt.com >>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 12, 2013 1:09 PM >>> *To:* kstap...@cisco.com; josh.pe...@gmail.com >>> *Cc:* ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Lab Prep via VMware >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Kenneth, >>> >>> >>> >>> I have used VMWare Workstation ver 8 ( I am not very sure what version I >>> am running for the last 1 year) but VMWare Workstation works fine, no >>> issues at all. However, there is one catch, and that is, one is at the >>> mercy of the Host OS's resource allocations (CPUs, Memory etc) and that >>> tends to slow down the installation in most of the times (I have an old >>> Dual Xeon, 16 GB Mem with 500G + 1 TB HDD on which I run these beasts) the >>> Host OS is Win XP 64 Bit and it works, though I can run almost 5 VMs in >>> parallel, it becomes slow, thanks to the XP >>> >>> >>> BUT, just last sunday I saw my colleague running OS X on his Mac Pro >>> Notebook, with 4 VMs (with UC 7.0 Servers) and Call of Duty and 2 Windows >>> Server 2003 VMs without ANY hint of slowing down the system or turning it >>> into an oven. >>> >>> That experience makes me believe that, its much better to go for a Mac >>> Pro (16 GB ver or whatever the max is allowed) and play whatever you like >>> on it, with the help of VMWare Fusion (thats what he is running). >>> >>> I am pretty sure, this setup is worth it, if it works easy, because just >>> 2 run any machine with 2 CPUs (with Cooling and HDD incl) can make a good >>> size hole whenever the electricity bill comes due :-| >>> >>> >>> >>> Let us know which road you are taking, I am almost certain to go with >>> the Mac Pro route. >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:*ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com [ >>> ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Staples >>> (kstaples) [kstap...@cisco.com] >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 10, 2013 9:25 PM >>> *To:* Josh Petro >>> *Cc:* ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Lab Prep via VMware >>> >>> Thanks for sharing that valuable info Josh. Me and my peers were >>> speaking about that exact thing (having the routers and switches. I'll make >>> sure and use the ESXi over the desktop version. Thanks again. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Kenneth Staples (Shift 7am – 4pm CST) >>> Customer Support Engineer >>> Cisco RMS - Unified Communications >>> kstap...@cisco.com <https://webmail.bt.com/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx> >>> >>> Phone: +1 512 340 3143 >>> CCNOC = 866-777-6269 >>> GVNOC = 866-643-9428 >>> TelePresence = (888) 654-9113 >>> Cisco Systems, Inc. >>> 9500 Amberglen Blvd. >>> United States >>> Cisco.com <http://cisco.com/> - http://www.cisco.com >>> >>> This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole >>> use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution or disclosure >>> by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or >>> authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by >>> reply email and delete all copies of this message. >>> >>> For corporate legal information go to: >>> http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/index.html >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: *Josh Petro <josh.pe...@gmail.com> >>> *Date: *Tuesday, December 10, 2013 8:21 PM >>> *To: *Kenneth Staples <kstap...@cisco.com> >>> *Cc: *"ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com" <ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com> >>> *Subject: *Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Lab Prep via VMware >>> >>> >>> >>> If you're serious about studying, I would avoid the desktop version and >>> go with ESXi and a good, reliable machine. You'll be fighting fatigue, the >>> labs and learning new stuff, so adding troubleshooting a VMware Desktop >>> issue will only frustrate you unnecessarily. >>> >>> I have 7961's and they were fine. I would recommend getting two 9900 >>> series phones if you can so you can simulate video. Trust me, having the >>> phones, gateways and switch will help a ton. Also, just find a 3750 switch >>> and forget the router switch-modules. It's much easier and you'll still >>> learn the needed commands. Just make sure you pay attention to the commands >>> for those switch-modules (for VLAN setup, etc.) when studying. >>> >>> >>> >>> Anyone else, please feel free to comment. >>> >>> >>> >>> Josh >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Kenneth Staples (kstaples) < >>> kstap...@cisco.com> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks josh. I've been hearing that the VMWare desktop should be all >>> that's needed with the exception of some physical routers/switches for the >>> branch sites and phones of course. The the Lab requirements for the new >>> Collab IE, what more equipment may be needed….or will your current set up >>> be sufficient? Might need additional phones of course for video. Thanks >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Kenneth Staples (Shift 7am – 4pm CST) >>> Customer Support Engineer >>> Cisco RMS - Unified Communications >>> kstap...@cisco.com >>> >>> Phone: +1 512 340 3143 >>> CCNOC = 866-777-6269 >>> GVNOC = 866-643-9428 >>> TelePresence = (888) 654-9113 >>> Cisco Systems, Inc. >>> 9500 Amberglen Blvd. >>> United States >>> Cisco.com <http://cisco.com/> - http://www.cisco.com >>> >>> This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole >>> use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution or disclosure >>> by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or >>> authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by >>> reply email and delete all copies of this message. >>> >>> For corporate legal information go to: >>> http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/index.html >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: *Josh Petro <josh.pe...@gmail.com> >>> *Date: *Tuesday, December 10, 2013 12:37 PM >>> *To: *Kenneth Staples <kstap...@cisco.com> >>> *Cc: *"ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com" <ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com> >>> *Subject: *Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Lab Prep via VMware >>> >>> >>> >>> Kenneth >>> >>> I run my entire lab on ESXi 5.1 in demo mode. Saves having to purchase >>> since this is lab anyhow. Just shutdown the VMs and the host when you're >>> don't for the day and you'll get some time out of it. I have a dell >>> workstation with a Xeon processor with 6 cores and 24gb RAM. The more >>> important equipment is the routers. I did two attempts on the voice lab and >>> having the routers makes a huge difference for home studying. For >>> collaboration, you can get by with most of the 2800/3800 features until a >>> 2900/3900 is available on the cheap. >>> >>> Josh >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 10, 2013, Kenneth Staples (kstaples) wrote: >>> >>> I wanted to ask if there is anyone out there preparing for the Voice >>> CCIE lab using a VM server for the all UC servers involved and maybe even >>> for the routers/switches as well? I could understand if your running all >>> the UC servers on one VM server and the routers/switches that are needed >>> are seperate from the VM. >>> >>> >>> >>> The reason I ask is because I'd like to see if it's possible to study >>> convenient from my home (without having run 4 to 5 servers) rather than >>> coming into the office to study for the lab. Ideally, I'd like to have one >>> VM server running all UC nodes, and maybe a couple of routers/switches (non >>> VM if necessary) and of course the physical phones to run from my home for >>> easy/convenience of studying and less equipment as possible. However, I'm >>> not sure if this is possible. Thanks in advance for your response. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Kenneth Staples (Shift 7am – 4pm CST) >>> Customer Support Engineer >>> Cisco RMS - Unified Communications >>> kstap...@cisco.com >>> >>> Phone: +1 512 340 3143 >>> CCNOC = 866-777-6269 >>> GVNOC = 866-643-9428 >>> TelePresence = (888) 654-9113 >>> Cisco Systems, Inc. >>> 9500 Amberglen Blvd. >>> United States >>> Cisco.com <http://cisco.com/> - http://www.cisco.com >>> >>> This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole >>> use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution or disclosure >>> by others is strictly prohibited. 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