Maybe we could have the workshop in Abilene? JPK
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Gerard Bricogne <g...@globalphasing.com>wrote: > Dear James, > > On Mon, Apr 02, 2012 at 08:39:41AM -0700, James Kiefer wrote: > > Dear Jacob, > > > > With all due respect, you have left out a key component to successful > > data fabrication in the modern age: software. It is quite obtuse not > > to have allocated at least one day of the workshop for practical > > applications of Photoshop to diffraction image generation and at least > > a passing coverage of whether or not Adobe Lightroom and > > crystallographic presets therein will be sufficiently capable of > > muddling the RCSB staff analysis of data feasibility checking. > > > > I would very much like to see Gerard Bricogne present a keynote > > lecture entitled something like, "The R-Fake Parameter: A Maximum > > Likelihood Modulus to Define a Minimum Acceptable Data Drift > > Coefficient for Use in the Fabrication of Credibly Artificial > > Diffraction Data." > > > Wait a minute ... I have indeed been trying to understand what types > of > random processes would best model errors in actual data, but that is in > order to produce better likelihood functions to refine against raw data, > not > to better fake errors in fabricated data ;-) - although of course ... . > > Your suggested title is very good! I will work on a talk, even if the > Workshop never happens. > > > With best wishes, > > Gerard. > > -- > > I also believe that we are perhaps full of hubris as a > > crystallographic community, because an entire field of faked > > structural data has existed long before crystallographers even > > considered manufacturing their data. Specifically, the molecular > > modeling community has already surpassed us in their thinking on the > > subject. While we idly discuss how to properly generate false data, > > they have had the foresight to abandon ALL data...and even the > > starting coordinates in crystal structures - be they real or > > fictitious - and publish volumes of papers entirely unencumbered by > > reality or plausibility. My hat is off to them. > > > > Best regards, > > Jim > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Jacob Keller > > <j-kell...@fsm.northwestern.edu> wrote: > > > Dear CCP4BB, > > > > > > due to increasing demand, it seems we should put together a workshop > on data > > > fabrication, covering the various important topics (chaired by JHo): > > > > > > --Images: the future of fabrication? How long can we rely on database > > > Luddism? > > > --Ways out: how to leave a trail of "accidental" data mix-ups > > > --Publish large or small? Cost-benefit analyses of impact factor vs. > risk of > > > being discovered > > > --Pushing the envelope: how significant is two [sic] significant > > > --Crossing discipline boundaries: are data fabrication procedures > universal? > > > --Build a better "hofkristallrat"-trap: utilization of rhetorical > bombast > > > and indignation in reply letters > > > > > > --Break-out support-session with survivors: comforting words on careers > > > after the fall > > > > > > --Session on the inextricably-related topic of grammatical pedantry, > to be > > > followed by a soccer (football?) match Greeks Vs. Latins > > > > > > Ample funding will be available from big pharma and other industry > sectors > > > > > > Please submit further topics to the CCP4BB list > > > > > > JPK > > > > > > ps I can't believe no one mentioned the loathsome Latino-Greek > "multimer" in > > > the recent curmudgeonry postings. > > > > > > > > > ******************************************* > > > Jacob Pearson Keller > > > Northwestern University > > > Medical Scientist Training Program > > > email: j-kell...@northwestern.edu > > > ******************************************* > > > > > > > > -- > > > > James Kiefer, Ph.D. > > Structural Biology > > Genentech, Inc. > > 1 DNA Way, Mailstop 27 > > South San Francisco, CA 94080-4990 > > -- > > =============================================================== > * * > * Gerard Bricogne g...@globalphasing.com * > * * > * Global Phasing Ltd. * > * Sheraton House, Castle Park Tel: +44-(0)1223-353033 * > * Cambridge CB3 0AX, UK Fax: +44-(0)1223-366889 * > * * > =============================================================== > -- ******************************************* Jacob Pearson Keller Northwestern University Medical Scientist Training Program email: j-kell...@northwestern.edu *******************************************
