In my experience, occupancies and B-factors are correlated for small molecules, 
e.g. waters and here I keep the occupancy at 1.00 and only refine B-factors. 
However, for larger ligands e.g. Cl-, Zn2+ etc. often a shell of red difference 
density around the ion indicates to me that occupancies and B-factors do not 
fully compensate each other. Also, as a ligand is either present or gone, it 
only makes sense to refine group occupancies, which, again in my experience 
(Buster) produces quite sensible results, even at 2.2 Å. In fact, I now refine 
group occupancies for everything which is not water and not covalently in full 
occupancy attached to the protein, e.g. metal ions, chloride, phosphate, 
sulfate etc. even at resolutions lower than 2.2 Å. 
 
Cheers,
Herman


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        From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of 
Katherine Sippel
        Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 8:11 PM
        To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
        Subject: [ccp4bb]
        
        
        Hi Ed,
        
        I've actually run that exact test in phenix as an exercise to prove to 
my PI the validity of occupancy refinement. Though as a disclaimer it was a 1.2 
angstrom data set and this was an alternate conformation situation. I ran 
different input occupancies without occupancy refinement and measure the 
difference density peak values and average B-factors and ended up with the same 
occupancy ratio that the program's occupancy refinement spit out. Of course 
this might not hold true if someone is refining the occupancy of a ligand that 
is partially bound without an alternate option (i.e. total occupancy <1). I 
haven't tested that one systematically yet though I suspect Pavel has probably 
already done this at some point.
        
        Cheers,
        
        Katherine
        
        
        On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Ed Pozharski <epozh...@umaryland.edu> 
wrote:
        

                > Is it reasonable to refine occupancy in phenix at 2.2 A 
resolution?
                
                
                Implementations may differ, but imgo refining occupancy at 2.2A
                resolution is not very reasonable under most circumstances, as 
it will
                correlate strongly with the B-factor.  A reasonable approach 
might be to
                fix occupancy at different levels and get a series of refined 
models.
                Then you look at (i) B-factor behavior and see at what 
occupancy it
                matches the surrounding atoms and (ii) difference density (my
                unsubstantiated theory is that if you plot it against occupancy 
it
                should have a central flat region where B-factors are capable of
                compensating and two linear regions on extreme ends which 
should allow
                to extrapolate the true value.
                
                Refmac does occupancy refinement.  It's quite fast, so you may 
try
                randomizing the initial value and get some idea about 
convergence.
                
                Cheers,
                
                Ed.
                
                
                
                --
                Oh, suddenly throwing a giraffe into a volcano to make water is 
crazy?
                                                               Julian, King of 
Lemurs
                


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