There is another paper out there, which describes the use of long
wavelengths
to define anomalously scattering substructures. This method certainly
helps to
distinguish water molecules from something else, such as chloride for
instance.

http://journals.iucr.org/d/issues/2007/03/00/dz5094/index.html

Cheers, Manfred

On 07.03.2014 11:12, Murray, James W wrote:
Dear all,

It is well known that  you can look at anomalous difference maps to see heavier 
atoms - although I think not enough people do it. One technique that I think is 
powerful, but under-used is to calculate element-specific maps by taking the 
difference of anomalous difference data from just above and below the 
absorption edge. This paper introduces the technique and explains it well 
http://journals.iucr.org/d/issues/2005/05/00/he5321/index.html. I suspect if 
this method were more used, many mis-labeled metals in proteins would come to 
light.

James

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Dear Jacob,

the 'check-my-metal' server at http://csgid.org/csgid/metal_sites/
lists a couple of references which might be of interest.

As usual in crytallography one must understand the science in order to
understand the reliability of the models from the PDB. They are not
the truth but only models to explain the data from a diffraction
experiment.

Best,
Tim



On 03/06/2014 08:45 PM, Keller, Jacob wrote:
Dear Crystallographers,

I was curious whether there has been a rigorous evaluation of ion
binding sites in the structures in the pdb, by PDB-REDO or
otherwise. I imagine that there is a considerably broad spectrum of
habits and rigor in assigning solute blobs to ion X or water, and
in fact it would be difficult in many cases to determine which ion
a given blob really is, but there should be at least some fraction
of ions/waters which can be shown from the x-ray data and known
geometry to be X and not Y. This could be by small anomalous
signals (Cl and H2O for example), geometric considerations, or
something else. Maybe this does not even matter in most cases, but
it might be important in others...

All the best,

Jacob Keller


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