Dear Bernhard,

I agree with you sentiments, but was wondering which 'poor Russian small molecule crystallographer' you had in mind?

Yuri Strutchkov died in 1995. He was an excellent crystallographer but with an efficient team and good connections.

I can't really complain, all the fake Chinese structures in Acta E cited SHELX for their refinement.

Best wishes, George


On 04.07.2018 13:54, Bernhard Rupp wrote:

Yes, there is a problem in general with these ‘get rich quick with user data’

facebookoid sites. Publon seems to be another one and I had what can be charitably described

as a pretty intense exchange with the dude running it. Nothing can be free (a concept occasionally alien

to the purist academic) and you just pay with whatever data that will be exploited as a business model.

That is fine as long as the model is transparent.

In response to an earlier post in this thread, complaining about review overload is perilous if you

expect to get your own stuff reviewed. If you publish 10 papers a year, on grounds of reciprocity you

should expect to review about 30. Almost one a week sans holidays…imagine the poor Russian small molecule

crystallographers on 800 papers a year…nothing beats monopolizing a resource (diffractometer etc…).

So, millennials, be thankful for the democratization of crystallography, compliment of the synchrotron

facilities and their diligent operators confined to the subterranean dungeons of beam line hell.

</digress>.

Best, BR

PS: Ad Elsevier: In an apparent acute attack of generosity, the Cell Press stuff can be shared

through links for 50 days.

https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1XK9D3SNvbqr-6

I am responsible only for pushing the content, not for what happens with your data….

(at a second thought, don’t crystallographers also practically live to collect data?)

“To help you access and share this work, we have created a Share Link – a personalized URL providing *50 days' free access* to your article. Anyone clicking on this link before August 22, 2018 will be taken directly to the final version of your article on ScienceDirect. No sign up, registration or fees are required – they can simply click and read”

*From:* CCP4 bulletin board <CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK> *On Behalf Of *Patrick Shaw Stewart
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 4, 2018 12:59
*To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
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Bernhard, did you know that Researchgate is a controversial organization?  They have been criticised for encouraging users to upload copyrighted material, see below.  Their business model also seems to involve charging a high fee to spam their users - we tried it once but decided we were just annoying the scientists who happened to get our message.  (Although I agree with you that 10-yr-old articles are less valuable than recent ones.)

An interesting model for scientific publishing is the journal/Biology Direct/. Reviewers' names and reports are published along with the article, and it's up to the authors to amend their article if they agree with any criticisms.  All you need is three reports for publication  I sent the journal what I believed to be a ground-breaking review explaining why we get more colds in winter than summer (later published in /Medical Hypotheses/).  I was disappointed that I only got one reviewer to support my article by writing a report.  But I felt that the format of the journal would have been be very helpful for a controversial topic.  Link below.

Patrick

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/ResearchGate /https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ResearchGate#Criticisms

    In September 2017, lawyers representing the International
    Association of Scientific, Technical, and Medical Publishers (STM)
    sent a letter to ResearchGate threatening legal action against
    them for copyright infringement and demanding them to alter their
    handling of uploaded articles to include pre-release checking for
    copyright violations and "Specifically, [for ResearchGate to] end
    its extraction of content from hosted articles and the
    modification of any hosted content, including any and all
    metadata. It would also mean an end to Researchgate's own copying
    and downloading of published journal article content and the
    creation of internal databases of articles."[40][41][42] This was
    followed by an announcement that takedown requests are to be
    issued to ResearchGate for copyright infringement relating to
    millions of articles.


/Biology DIrect/:

    https://biologydirect.biomedcentral.com/about/how-it-works

/My Article : ) /

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S030698771500417X
      (or ask me for PDF)



/Criticism of Elsevier pricing. /https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsevier#Pricing

    In the 21st century, the subscription rates charged by the company
    for its journals have been criticized; some very large journals
    (with more than 5,000 articles) charge subscription prices as high
    as £9,634, far above average,[23] and many British universities
    pay more than a million pounds to Elsevier annually.[24] The
    company has been criticized not only by advocates of a switch to
    the open-access publication model, but also by universities whose
    library budgets make it difficult for them to afford current
    journal prices.

    For example, a resolution by Stanford University's senate singled
    out Elsevier's journals as being "disproportionately expensive
    compared to their educational and research value", which
    librarians should consider dropping, and encouraged its faculty
    "not tocontribute articles or editorial or review efforts to
    publishers and journals that engage in exploitive or exorbitant
    pricing".[25] Similar guidelines and criticism of Elsevier's
    pricing policies have been passed by the University of California,
    Harvard University, and Duke University.[26]In July 2015, the
    Association of Universities in the Netherlands (VSNU) announced a
    plan to start boycotting Elsevier, which refused to negotiate on
    any Open Access <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Access> policy
    for Dutch universities.^[27]
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsevier#cite_note-27>  In December
    2016, Nature Publishing Group
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature_Publishing_Group>reported
    that academics in Germany, Peru and Taiwan are to lose access to
    Elsevier journals as negotiations had broken down with the
    publisher.^[28] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsevier#cite_note-28>

    A complaint about Elsevier/RELX was made to the Competition and
    Markets Authority
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competition_and_Markets_Authority>.^[29]
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsevier#cite_note-29>

On 2 July 2018 at 08:01, George Sheldrick <gshe...@uni-goettingen.de <mailto:gshe...@uni-goettingen.de>> wrote:

    Since neither I nor my university can afford Elsevier journals, I
    have no access to papers published in them. In view of their
    excessive profits, for some years I have not submitted papers to
    them and have declined all requests to referee for them. If
    everyone did that, they might reconsider their approach. I am not
    an Apple fan either - I use a more reasonably priced native Linux
    laptop - but have to give Apple credit for innovation.

    George


    On 07/01/2018 06:57 PM, Patrick Loll wrote:

            I think what we should do is not publish in journal
            families where the profit is above 10 per cent. Elsevier
            is the place to start as their profit margins are like
            those of Apple, and of competition there is none.

        Elsevier: Like Apple, but without the design sense.

        But seriously, Adrian makes an excellent point. And the large
        profit margins wouldn’t be quite so galling, if only the
        publishers were able to provide competent and helpful
        administrative support; but in my recent experience,
        not-for-profit scientific society journals are actually
        providing better experiences for reviewers and authors than
        the big commercial ones.

        Pat

        
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