Bravo!!! *** applauds vigorously *** Great rant Dan, and well written I might add.....If I were to have the time this upcoming year, I would love to write an app in all three and hand it over to someone to benchmark...... Do we have any takers? What app would give us the best bang for our buck so to speak? A simple forum? A dating site? A scheduling site? I have all three in CF code that I would be willing to part with in the interests of documentation (I would need a bit of time to make sure whichever CF app is chosen is properly commented, etc) .....then all we would need are ASP and PHP versions! <grin> Oh, and one more question, has anyone benchmarked a Fusebox site against a non-Fusebox site of the exact nature for performance? ***** don't throw donuts or stale muffins at me, I'm just curious.... ***** Erika (with a *K*) "Don't hurry, don't worry. You're only here for a short visit. So be sure to stop and smell the flowers." - Walter C. Hagen ----------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Dewey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 12:01 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: PHP <CF_RANT Correct_Grammar="OFF" FOAMING_AT_MOUTH="ON"> Friends, CF_Coders, Earthlings... I have come here to praise CF App Server not to trash it... The article is interesting, but flawed with generalizations and no hard evidence... plus the author is obviously biased. He starts with the premise is that the ISAPI version is always better than a CGI version, which normally would be true when you deal with a bloatware such as CF. Whereas one could say that ISAPI apps are better then CGI apps because the ISAPI app is always loaded, one could just as easily say that the CGI apps are better than ISAPI apps because they get re-initialized all the time, so you don't have to worry about threading issues or memory leaks. [how many of us remember restarting/rebooting CF 3, and CF 4 processes/servers because the server had locked?! CF 4.5 has auto-restart but this 'feature' still remains]. The author also lambasts PHP loadable modules because they're not free threaded... which isn't an issue in CGI mode. It doesn't mention the fact that PHP can do anything/everything CF can do and whole lot more. PHP may be a scripting language, but supports ... nay pratically requires proper programming such as classes and functions [true coding practices], while CF practically requires sloppy code. As far as I can tell, most of the comments about CF scalability (or lack thereof) stem from poor coding practices. Case in point: We recieve 1M PHP his/month and the server barely notices the traffic. </CF_RANT> <CF_SUGGESTION> Someone should come up with a fairly complex [carpoint anyone] application, write it in CF ASP and PHP, and then benchmark it... so that we can put this issue to bed... but no one will because it's probably not cost effective. </CF_SUGGESTION> <CF_CONCLUSION> PHP has it's place, just like CF has it's place. When you're scoping out a project you have to decide what the project needs to accomplish, then find the right tool to write it in, not the other way around. </CF_CONCLUSION> Ok, I'm done. Thanks for listening. --- Daniel Dewey |"There is a race between mankind and the uni- Systems Developer | verse. Mankind is trying to build bigger, MCP (NT srvr/wkstn/eprise)| better, faster, and more foolproof machines. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The universe is trying to build bigger, better | and faster fools. So far the universe is winning" http://www.pobox.com/~dewey | 610-868-1421, x115 The National Association of Colleges and Employers These opinions are mine, and may not be the same as my employer -----Original Message----- From: Erika L. Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 11:07 PM To: CF-Community Subject: PHP Hi guys, Remember all that bad stuff going around on f**ckedcompany.com? About CF versus PHP and that CF was crap? Well, I read this over on the ever wonderful FusionAuthority this week and found it to be truly interesting... Larry J. Seltzer of PC Magazine looked at PHP and one of its support sources, Zend Technologies, Inc. and came to two conclusions ColdFusion developers might find interesting: "But though PHP thrives on hosted servers, it's too immature for a high-traffic business environment. As much as we were rooting for it to succeed in our testing, it failed--especially when we attempted to evaluate on Windows." And (regarding Zend]: "If we have to make a trade-off be tween IDE and debugging, we'd rather use a better editor, such as Allaire's Home Site, and deal with debugging the hard way." PHP and Zend (ZDNet Tech InfoBase / PC Magazine, May 7, 2001) HHmmmm....... Erika (with a *K*) "Don't hurry, don't worry. You're only here for a short visit. So be sure to stop and smell the flowers." - Walter C. Hagen ----------------------------------------------------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-community@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
