Money in itself maybe "a commodity that represents productive human
endeavor.", but the pursuit of money above all else, as an end rather than
as a means, is an outcome of greed.

Please dont get me wrong - there is nothing wrong with money in itself, and
I am thankful for what little of it I have...

Craigs point IMO was not about Commerce/Humanity etc being wrong, but about
the relative priorities placed on the accuisition of money, and the
protection of the environment from the side effects of many years of
reckless pursuit of financial gain above all else...

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Fobare [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 27 July 2001 16:17
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Kyoto and global warming (was: RE: Hiyas! :))




>What's more important, Money or the planet?

Let me restate that. Money is nothing but a fungible commodity that 
represents productive human endeavor. In short, civilization. So, your 
question is really "What's more important, humanity or the planet?". Now, 
plenty of well-meaning enviros don't really want to tear down society for 
the sake of "mother earth". They'd just like to see a cleaner planet. 
That's a nice thing. Craig, I'll bet you are one of those people, aren't 
you? But questions like "Money or the planet?" originate from extremists 
who really do believe that humanity itself is evil and needs to be
eradicated.

>That's the underlying question here, if we can all agree that the planet is
>the most important thing, and I think we do ?? Then the only argument
should
>be how we go about reducing pollution quickly and effectively.

How about free markets, private property, and capitalism? It works here in 
the U.S. Thanks to private property, we now have far more forest than we 
did 65 years ago. Thanks to those forests, the U.S. is actually a net 
consumer of CO2(small), while the rest of the world is a net CO2 
emitter(gargantuan). With truly free markets, private property and the rule 
of law the rest of the world could get their act together even faster.

>If Kyoto is so bad, why doesn't Bush in his infinite wisdom propose
>something better?

Hey, we can't do it all. Being a shining beacon of liberty is a good start 
though.

>No, he'd rather spend the $400 billion and his time on Star Wars because
>thats what his pupeteers in the Pentagon want.

Do you really think the Joint Chiefs of Staff sit around kvetching about 
how implementing Kyoto will make it harder to fund Star Wars?

Dave Fobare
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