not the other way around.
-----Original Message-----
From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 7:30 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Food for thought... (Iraq)
So.
You are saying
1) That the people do have a say in the large decisions of their
country, and thus have a say in how their country is run.
2) There are little things that most people do not care about which they
have no say over. These little things lead to the 'real' people holding
the power and getting rich.
>From these two points you arrive at the conclusion that Democracy is a
tool to control wealth and resources, but have no social problems.
Democracy just as any system of government can be abused. but a system
of government is supposed to provide 1) above all.
If you agree that Democracy provides 1) then it does not make sense to
simply label the system as a means for the elite to
control a population.
Governance is about control in the first place, just as Laws are about
control.
You can just as easily say the rule of Law as opposed to Anarchy is
about control.
If not Democracy then what's a better system of governance? Communism?
Socialism? A fascist state? A dictatorship? A monarchy? What?
-Gel
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Mihoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 6:49 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Food for thought... (Iraq)
that is exactly the ruse of democracy I am talking about - the illusion
of being able to "control" things. In reality - yeah you have real
control over the politics of your country, on most of issues we all care
about. YET underneath - is the other stuff that isn't covered within the
political scope - maybe you don't care - I don't really - but there are
people acting with impunity holding the reigns of real power - and
getting stinking rich.
Democracy is a tool to control the wealth and resources of other nations
while not inheriting their social problems. Fantastic program if you ask
me. Think about the benefits of democracy in places like Iraq where you
can create a little instability as well.
Democracy is a timely arrow in the quiver of international bulliage.
Jack M
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Look at the democratic systems in Spain and Switzerland.
The people of Switzerland have such far reaching rights it's amazing.
They have an amazing choice of media and freedom of the press and a
resulting great input into the decisions their government makes.
If you want to look at a properly functioning democracy, look there.
The people of Spain voted out their prime minister over the Iraqi war
because he did not represent the will of the people and took them into a
war without reason and one in which they did not want to be.
Spain was a good lesson in democracy.
A properly functioning democracy depends as much on the people as the
government. It depends on the literacy of the population as a whole, but
more so the literacy and thought at the grassroot levels. If the people
are illiterate, have limited freedom of media and information sources,
or are more concerned with I and advancing materially in a capitalist
society, then their country will suffer. In a Democracy a people get the
government they deserve.
Look beyond borders before making a statement that democracy does not
work.
-Gel
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Mihoff
If YOU had a diabolical mind - what would you do?
There is no question in my mind I would move in parallel efforts.
Especially when consider democracy is a great tool for the elite to
control a population and still move with impunity.
It is interesting to also note why there is a campaign to spread
democracy through out the world. Other than the good of the people of
course...
it is a very effective tool for controlling and manipulating a
population. [let them make decisions you don't care about... and give
them the illusion of power at the same time. Name one major issue that
any democratic government has had the power to enforce for their
people.]
Jack M.
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