> I am sorry!! I didn't nmean to mis-attribute!!!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: dana tierney
> To: CF-Community
> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 9:12 AM
> Subject: Re: Conversation Topic - Abortion
>
>
> Unless I have been sleep-posting while possessed by anti-abortion
> protesters :) I don't think I did??? "Murdering our children"???
> Nuh-uh. Not in this thread anyway, I've been saying it's the mother's
> choice and that is what I believe. In the Catholicism thread a while
> back, I did say that I thought abortion is a sin, and maybe even
> murder. This is, yes, a religious concept, expressed in a religious
> thread.
>
> But I immediately again said that it is not up to me to decide whether
> it is available. Thank God. I don't think I am up to the
> responsibility, nor do I think is anyone else. I am against all
> restrictions on abortion, at least in the first trimester, maaaybe
> into the early second trimester. In the second and third it becomes
> more reasonable to balance the interest of the child against the
> mother's, if this is an issue. And this is the current practice,
> actually.
>
> On the other hand -- if at some point I said "child" then hey, you
> know what? It is a child. Deal with it. It may be necessary to abort
> that child, but it is a child. It is alive and is a non-adult human.
> The necessity could be tragic. For that child, for sure, right? No
> question.
>
> It's like steak is dead cow :) Unpleasant but true, and I am not going
> to deny either one just because I eat steak and oppose restrictions on
> abortion.
>
> Dana
>
> > Dana, calling "abortion" "murdering our children" is a religious
> > concept, imo, not common sensical. A fetus is not a "child".
> >
> > Michael, someone recently asked me if religious jews were
> > anti-abortion and I didn't know. Is your opinion typical?
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
>
> > From: Michael Dinowitz
>
> > To: CF-Community
>
> > Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 10:43 AM
>
> > Subject: Re: Conversation Topic - Abortion
> >
> >
>
> > My mother has a heart condition and was not supposed to have any
> > children. The
>
> > doctors wanted to abort my brother due to this. She went through
> with
> > the birth
>
> > and we're both fine.
>
> > Was she in medical danger? Yes. Were the doctors right in saying
> that
> > the
>
> > children (myself included) should not be born? Yes. Was she right in
>
> > making a
>
> > personal choice to have us? Yes. No one forced her to abort, they
> told
> > her
>
> > they're professional opinion. No one should force someone to have or
>
> > not have a
>
> > child, only give their professional (or religions) opinion. The
> final
> > choice is
>
> > ALWAYS the persons.
> >
>
> > Does that give a woman the right to have an abortion over the
> > objections of her
>
> > husband? Well, he can't force her to have the kid. All he can do it
>
> > express his
>
> > desires and if she goes ahead or doesn't, he can just leave. This of
>
> > course
>
> > brings up the whole issue of responsibility if the father wants the
>
> > abortion and
>
> > the mother doesn't. Should he be forced to care for, support or
> > whatever this
>
> > kid he didn't want. Even more controversy and issues. One issue
> breeds
> > another
>
> > and another and and and
> >
>
> > > what's the definition of a medical emergency? That's the rub. I
> had
> > two
>
> > pregnancies that each posed a serious risk to my health. I elected
> to
> > continue
>
> > them, and came away with no permanent consequences. But it was my
> > decision and
>
> > had it been otherwise it would have been due to my decision. Makes
> all
> > the
>
> > difference in the world. I would be very much against some panel
> > telling women
>
> > oh no, you have to continue this pregnancy because bla bla is not a
>
> > serious
>
> > enough risk to your health.
>
> > >
>
> > > Dana
>
> > >
>
> > > >My take: Women shouldnt be able to use it for birth control. It
> > should be
>
> > > >available for medical emergencies and that's it. It is my opinion
>
> > that we
>
> > > >shouldnt have laws that make it legal to murder our children. No
>
> > religious
>
> > > >tenets here, just common sense.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >-----Original Message-----
>
> > > >From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > > >Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 10:59 AM
>
> > > >To: CF-Community
>
> > > >Subject: Conversation Topic - Abortion
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >What is everyone's take on abortion? I think this is a huge topic
>
> > and a
>
> > > >great conversation topic to get all kinds of opinions and views
> on...
> >
>
> > > > _____
>
> > >
>
> > >
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