mark,
For instance the American intelligence services has possibly relied too much
on elint, and not enough on human intelligence, at least for anti terrorist
actions.
larry
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 2:17 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: George W. Bush
>
>
> That makes sense. Maybe we've become to reliant on
> that(technology). We
> need to be more proactive instead of reactive and maybe even a little
> unpredictable to keep people on their toes.
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 1:35 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: George W. Bush
>
>
> mark,
>
> I think he means the over reliance on technology that many
> perceive the
> American forces to have.
>
> larry
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:30 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: George W. Bush
> >
> >
> > I, by no means, am privy to their readiness or have any inside
> > information as far as Delta is concerned, other than I've
> trained with
> > them in the past and understand their capabilities. I know
> > the CIA has a
> > military arm, but I don't know their capabilities. Spy
> sattelites are
> > good, to a point, but I agree that more human intel is
> needed. I agree
> > that the SAS will be involved and will be a great asset as they were
> > during the gulf war.
> >
> > What do you mean by, "gone the route of the Americans..."?
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: William Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 10:02 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: George W. Bush
> >
> >
> > From my understanding, Delta Force and other American
> special Op's may
> > be
> > well trained but have had little or no real action. Also,
> the CIA have
> > relied heavily and almost exclusively on technology (spy
> sats etc) to
> > gain
> > intelligence. On the ground intelligence or operatives are
> a different
> > matter, and essential for these kind of operations. I wouldn't be
> > surprised
> > to see MI5 and the SAS involved in these actions. The one
> > advantage of
> > having to deal with the IRA over the years is that we
> haven't gone the
> > route
> > of the Americans when it comes to these things.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 20 September 2001 14:28
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: George W. Bush
> >
> >
> > Wars, battles, conflicts, whatever you want to call them
> are not clean
> > and innocent. You have to remember who you're dealing with.
> We're not
> > dealing with rational people and this is not conventional.
> In dealing
> > with normal, rational, civilized nations, you can deal with
> them in a
> > much different way, such as sanctions. But terrorists conduct
> > themselves
> > in a much different way. For this reason, this "war against
> terrorism"
> > will be fought like no other war we've seen. This is unconventional
> > warfare in the truest sense. Sure, there will be strategic
> > bombings. But
> > for the most part, you'll see or hear of sergical strikes
> by people on
> > the ground with use of Special Ops teams like Special
> Forces, Rangers,
> > Seals and Delta Force and a few others that you didn't even knew
> > existed. Being a former member of the Special Ops community
> > in my former
> > life, I can say that any strike we do will be well planned and very
> > surgical. Some will succeed and some will not. But believe me, our
> > forces will not be going in blindly. I applaud our leaders,
> > military and
> > civilian, for the jobs they're doing.
> >
> > As far as innocent civilians being killed... It's unavoidable. Our
> > military and government leaders will do everything possible
> > to limit the
> > killing of innocent people.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jennifer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 2:48 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: George W. Bush
> >
> >
> > What I'm saying is that it is not a weakness. I don't know
> > what the best
> >
> > response to this situation actually is, but without some
> > discussion and
> > objections to bad ideas, no one may ever find the best
> > solution. I just
> > want a solution that won't perpetuate the problem and it
> seems that we
> > aren't headed in that direction.
> >
> > Besides, if we want to show people around the world that we really
> > aren't
> > as evil and oppressive as people say, can we do that by
> > showing a united
> >
> > front? Some of the people who hate us hate us because our
> people don't
> > object to people in their countries being killed. That's
> how they can
> > say
> > that we are all evil, not just some of us. Well, maybe it's
> > time that we
> >
> > showed them that some of us object to that.
> >
> > I don't want innocent people killed and if I don't say
> that, it seems
> > like
> > I don't object to it. I'm not going to say that I agree with
> > a plan that
> >
> > kills innocent people because it is my American duty to do
> so. It's my
> > American duty to say I object if I object.
> >
> > At 01:59 PM 9/18/2001 -0400, you wrote:
> > >yes, our freedom of speech is one of our valued treasures.....
> > everyone is
> > >intitled to their own opinions, this is part of what we
> are fighting
> > for.
> > >
> > >all I am saying is that when at war, I don't want my enemy
> to see any
> > of my
> > >weakness.
> > >
> > >I think that picking on each others beliefs and opinions has
> > a time and
> > a
> > >place.... I think it is called a debate....
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jennifer [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 12:25 PM
> > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > Subject: RE: George W. Bush
> > > >
> > > > At 11:10 AM 9/18/2001 -0400, you wrote:
> > > > >personally, I think Lee has it right......
> > > > >
> > > > >but, with the horror that struck our nation last week shouldn't
> > this be a
> > > > >time for all of us to band together regardless of our political
> > > > >affiliations? is it only me that thinks that this is
> > not the time
> > for
> > > > us
> > > > >to be quarreling amongst ourselves, instead we should
> > try to rally
> > behind
> > > > >our leaders (whether we agree with them or not) and
> show a united
> > front?
> > > >
> > > > That depends on what you think that will accomplish. The
> > best thing
> > about
> > > > showing a united front right now is that it scares the
> heck out of
> > some
> > > > people we want to scare the heck out of right about
> now. But it is
> > > > extremely important that everyone in this country who
> > disagrees with
> > these
> > > >
> > > > things be allowed to say that they disagree. What is so
> > great about
> > > > freedom
> > > > of speech if you can't exercise it in times of trouble?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Now available in a San Francisco Bay Area near you!
> > > > http://www.blivit.org/mr_urc/index.cfm
> > > > http://www.blivit.org/mr_urc/resume.cfm
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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