now as Israel was set up by UN mandate in 1949 out of British
controlled Palestine. Immediately after the independence mandate took
effect the territory was invaded by what is now Egypt, Jordan, Syria
and Lebannon. Of those nations only the Arab Legion of Jordan managed
to make significant inroads into now what is Israel. The region itself
(and Michael D. can correct me here) was a hodgepodge of kubbutz
settlements and Palestinian villages.The numbers changed somewhat with
the Jewish exodus following the Holocaust. Mostly the inhabitants
tolerated each other's existance, although there were notable
exceptions, like the Mahdi of Jerusalem who was violently
anti-Semetic.
Its an interesting wrinkle in a region whose history includes
occupation/participation by every major culture.
larry
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:07:12 -0500, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Larry,
>
> Great clarifications, and clearly I'm no expert. However, I think the
> basic points apply. You're also right about Palestine being a British
> protectorate, although it was still effectively it's own country.
>
> Unfortunately the Palestinians have been called "the worst led people
> of the 20th century" and that's probably true: their leaders supported
> the Kaiser in WWI, Hitler in WWII, and now they've got Mr. Arafat.
>
> On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:45:58 -0400, Larry C. Lyons
>
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Gus,
> >
> > The Israelis did not start a terrorist campaign to get independence.
> > The British had already announced that they were turning over
> > Palestine to the UN for resolution well before the formation of the
> > Stern Gang or Irgun. The campaign waged by those two groups (the Stern
> > Gang's leadership included btw former Israeli PM Begin) was intended
> > to accellerate the withdrawal of British forces.
> >
> > Also it was not WW2, Britian had control of Palestine since 1918 with
> > the formalization of the Versailles treaty and the withdrawal of
> > Ottoman Turk forces in 1917. Palestine was officially assigned to the
> > British as a protectorate in 1920 or 1922 - forget which.
> >
> > larry
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:20:58 -0500, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > I get the feeling that if the current excuse was removed, another would
> > take its' place.
> > >
> > > There's only ever been one reason - US foreign policy that favors one
> > > terrorist over another: The Shah over the clerics; Iraq over Iranian
> > > clerics, Saudi Arabia over Iraq, Israel over Palestine.
> > >
> > > The problem started with implicit US support of the jewish terrorist
> > > organization, The Irgun. After WWII, Britian was put in charge of
> > > Palestine who had supported the Axis during the war. The Jews,
> > > however, thought that the region was due to them and began a terrorist
> > > campaign against the British to get it.
> > >
> > > After numerous attacks and disruptions the Irgun had their coup. They
> > > hijacked a milk truck, killed it's Palestinian driver, filled it full
> > > of explosives and detonated it in a hotel many British soldiers were
> > > bunked at.
> > >
> > > The blast killed about 30 British soldiers and 70 others. Britain
> > > prompted pulled out of the region leaving the Irgun with the country.
> > > The Irgun's leader, Menahem Begin, eventually became the Prime
> > > Minister of Israel.
> > >
> > > To Arabs the lesson was, if you conduct a terrorist campaign against
> > > the occupiers they'll pull out and you'll get the country. This has
> > > been the policy, on the whole, that Arabs have pursued ever since.
> > >
> > > This began to change in the mid-ninties with President Clinton who
> > > negotiated for peace in both Palestine and Northern Ireland. The Arab
> > > view of the US began to grow favorable and spiked when al Qaeda
> > > attacked the US.
> > >
> > > The unilateral dismissal of the UN and invasion of Iraq, however, has
> > > probably pitted an entire generation of Arabs against us.
> > >
> > >
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