Probably fair.  Time for bed.

Andy
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 9:49 PM
  To: CF-Community
  Subject: Re: Cheney's daughter is gay

  Andy...

  with all due respect, I did read what Dana was responding to.  I read
  Dana's response.  And I read that you disagreed with it, and why.  Yet
  your 'why' had nothing to do with what Dana said.

  Perhaps you should read a little bit more carefully yourself before
  offering that advice to others?

  On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 21:44:42 -0500, Andy Ousterhout
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  > Charlie,
  > Please read what Dana is responding too before commenting.
  >   -----Original Message-----
  >   From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  >   Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 9:31 PM
  >   To: CF-Community
  >   Subject: Re: Cheney's daughter is gay
  >
  >   you disagree with what?  Dana never said Cheney mentioned her -more-.
  >   Dana said Cheney 'introduced' her to the public.  So what exactly
  >   about Dana's statement is it you're disagreeing with?
  >
  >   > On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 21:00:58 -0500, Andy Ousterhout
  >   > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  >
  >   > > Kerry has mentioned her more than Dick has.  Sorry, I disagree.
  >
  >   > >   -----Original Message-----
  >   > >   From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  >   > >   Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 6:33 PM
  >   > >   To: CF-Community
  >   > >   Subject: Re: Cheney's daughter is gay
  >   > >
  >   > >   Andy
  >   > >
  >   > >   Her own father has already brought her into the poitical arena. At
  >   > >   that point she ceased to be a private person and became an
extension
  >   > >   of her father's public persona.
  >   > >
  >   > >   Dana
  >   > >
  >   > >   On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:18:43 -0500, Andy Ousterhout
  >   > >   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  >   > >   > I disagree strongly with the author and all of you who say that
  > Kerry can
  >   > >   > mention Mary in any context he wants.  It is in poor taste for
Kerry
  > to
  >   > > keep
  >   > >   > using Mary's name and sexual orientation unless he has her
  > permission,
  >   > > which
  >   > >   > I
  >   > >   > doubt.  He has no right to bring up her religion, method of
dress,
  > nada.
  >   > > It
  >   > >   > has nothing to do with her sexual orientation, and everything to
do
  > with
  >   > > her
  >   > >   > privacy.
  >   > >   >
  >   > >   > Andy
  >   > >   >
  >   > >   >
  >   > >   >
  >   > >   > -----Original Message-----
  >   > >   > From: Jim Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  >   > >   > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 4:40 PM
  >   > >   > To: CF-Community
  >   > >   > Subject: Re: Cheney's daughter is gay
  >   > >   >
  >   > >   >   Because the administration, of whom this girls father is a
major
  > figure,
  >   > >   >   supports a constitutional amendment to specifically
marginalize a
  >   > >   >   certain group of the population, of whom this girl is a
  > not-so-secret
  >   > >   >   member.  Pointing out rank hypocrisies is par for the course,
  >   > > politically.
  >   > >   >
  >   > >   >   Andrew Sullivan had a very good observation on the different
  > reactions
  >   > >   >   to Kerry's remark last night.  I'd just be parroting his
points by
  >   > >   >   reiterating them, so here's the links if you want to read
them.
  >   > >   >
  >   > >   >   http://tinyurl.com/6sz59
  >   > >   >
  >   > >   >   In a nutshell, Kerry didn't do anything scurrilous, and the
gasps
  > of
  >   > >   >   horror from conservatives is another telling indicator of rank
  >   > > homophobia.
  >   > >   >
  >   > >   >   - Jim
  >   > >   >
  >   > >   >   Sam Morris wrote:
  >   > >   >
  >   > >   >   >Surprised nobodies mentioned this.
  >   > >   >   >
  >   > >   >   >Why do the Johns keep outing this girl?
  >   > >   >   >
  >   > >   >   >-sm
  >   > >   >   >
  >   > >   >   >
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