Yea i remember how i almost shit myself when i heard him say he was
going to do his faith based initiative's. To me watching him in 2000
he said hew as a religious guy but i must have missed the point where
he would try to bring church and state together.


On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:59:25 -0500, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Bill wrote:
> > When did a liberal become a bad thing? :>
> 
> During the 80s and, in my opinion, liberals then *were* a bad thing.
> While I respect Mr. Dukakis' views, I think he would've made a
> horrible President.  For me the good news was that his loss crushed
> the liberal, "Great Society", delusions and opened the door for more
> moderate positions.
> 
> Mr. Clinton picked up that baton and transformed the Democratic party
> - while he was still generally for Federal government programs to fix
> social problems, he added a new twist: no middle class taxes and
> fiscal responsibility to pay for them.
> 
> So, for example, it was Mr. Clinton's idea that by paying down the
> debt the US could use the money that was being spent to service the
> debt to pay for his programs.  When he proposed raising taxes on the
> upper 2% in 1992, supply siders claimed it would destroy the planet,
> yet it had the opposite effect - it created the largest economic
> expansion in US history.
> 
> The neo-cons have decided that the lesson didn't exist and so have
> taken a "tax cuts fix everything" approach; the same tired 100% supply
> side theory.  They've done this despite the fact that they aren't
> cutting spending to pay for tax cuts (which makes the tax cut just new
> spending, i.e., a government program!).
> 
> Further they've decided to add additional spending, claiming that once
> the tax cut boom kicks in, the growing economy will pay for the loans
> from Europe, Asia, and Saudi Arabia primarily.
> 
> It's been 3 years and that hasn't happened which is why some
> economists are claiming the tax cuts weren't big enough - they are the
> die hard supply siders.  Remember Mr. Bush's "we're turning the
> corner" campaign slogan in June?  What happened to that?  The neo-cons
> are constantly claiming "the tax cuts are kicking in ..." and then
> they don't.
> 
> Add to that the coming pensioner crisis and you've got a real mess.
> (You can't grow out of the social security mess because social
> security is tied to inflation *and* wages, i.e., as the economy grows
> so do its liabilities)
> 
> I think Mr. Bush's defeat will vindicate the fiscally conservative
> Republicans and hopefully finally squash the neo-cons, just as Mr.
> Dukakis' loss squashed Great Society liberalism.
> 
> The end result will hopefully be 2 parties that understand that you
> can't be fiscally irresponsible and secure at the same time.
> 
> 

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