My own $.02. What many seem to forget is that AA is not really for the exceptional, they will always rise to the top. What is it for is the average Joe competing against others. The problem lie in how much race is mixed in with poverty, and that the quality of education is also strongly influenced by poverty. Think of it. Many, if not most of us went to well off schools with good facilities and fairly good teachers. For many minorities that simply is not the case. Before I got into CF development, I had a contract job doing education quality assessments for a federally funded program. They had me go out to school assessments in Houston and Dallas during the third year of Gov. Bush's first term, and on a reservation in South Dakota. The Houston schools were quite the shocker, the facilities were horrid, and supplies and textbooks were almost non-existant (what few texts they had were over 15 years old). And these two schools were in sight of NASA.
Employment equity is only one part of the equation. You need educational equality as well. That part has never been done. Here in Virginia there are some of the best public schools in the country,(Fairfax Virginia's Thomas Jefferson High School for instance) and some of the worst (some of southwest Virginia's schools just recently got computers for instance). With the way school funding is structured, with most of all available funds going to the richest school districts, and very little going to the poorest, AA will be a joke. Only by leveling the playing field will you get employment equality. larry On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:20:29 -0500, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gel, that's the position that I hear screaming across the net from you. More > than anything else, I see you posting this statistic and that statistic > while knocking down Everyone's personal experience or view. If it's not in > the numbers, it can't be right. > And yes, just as you've overemphasized the positions of others and 'made up' > personal stories, I've overemphasized your position on this, which should be > obvious from the language. > I'm sorry that you're insulted by my phrasing, but you've really been > screeching (and I use this word specifically) at people on this thread and > at some point it had to be stopped. America is not perfect, but it's trying > and the institutionalized racism you're talking about is something that's > been changing for a looooong time. Yes, it has to change, but AA has caused > as much harm or even more than it has cured. Problem is you just ignore the > personal reports of anyone on the list. Numbers are good, but they do not > tell the whole story. > > Now, as I said, this thread is causing NOTHING but hurt feelings because > each person here is taking it their own way and applying it to personal > experiences. I'm sorry you were insulted. > > > >'Gel's position is that America is a boiling pot of racism and nothing > > has changed from it's beginning' > > Wrong! This is not and has never been my opinion! > > You obviously have not been reading anything I've posted, or instead > > forming your own opinions on it rather than what my meaning > > actually is. > > I have said that while things have changed, they have not changed near > > enough to have reached the point where AA is no longer > > necessary, they have not reached the point where Racism is not an issue in > > the US school admissions and the US workplace which is > > what some have said. I have posted research, I have posted facts and > > figures. You may not agree with what I have said, but one > > wonders what you didn't agree with since you completely misrepresented my > > opinon implying that you did not understand it. > > > > And I'm quite insulted at your phrasing of this post in this manner. > > > > -Angél Stewart > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 1:19 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Discrimination (thread) is dead > > > > Bottom line time here. Gel's position is that America is a boiling pot of > > racism and nothing has changed from it's beginning. Others > > reject this. Gel is not going to change his mind on this no matter what. > > Others are willing to concede that there is racism, but no > > where near what it was. > > Bottom line is that this thread is dead. There is no conversation here, > > just people shouting back and forth across the net. People > > are getting upset, people are flaming each other and the net result is not > > progress, but destruction. > > Lets end this people. A white man who has been exposed to religious racism > > for a looong time is asking this. > > OK Gel? A white man is keeping you down. > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:145500 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
