Well, Mike asked us to drop the thread and I suppose he is right. I don't see any minds getting changed here. I can see that affirmative action may seem insulting but personally? I don't see programs for women that way and was very glad to get my SBA loan, thank you. I find it frankly incredible that women aren't applying for good jobs.
I also met a heck of a lot of really nice little kids who probably grew up to have not much of a chance. Saying any chance at all is good enough doesn't seem much comfort when thinking of particular children. I am still troubled by those Urban Institute reports, so perhaps I should not say no minds got changed. It was a good discussion and some interesting ideas were expressed. Dana On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:10:11 -0600, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Angel wrote: > > >I'm saying that if a minority can easily get into a top university, > > This is not true. > > >and can easily get a top position at a top firm > > And neither is this. > > Gel, I don't find your sources credible because my personal and > on-going experience is so completely different. > > My wife works for one of the top management consulting firms in the > world. Many of the partners are regularly quoted in almost every > business story you read and some currently have best-sellers on the > business book shelf. The CEO of the firm is definitely a minority in > a number of ways (3) and was not born in the US. > > 80% of the teams my wife works with are minorities, and 40% weren't > born in America - which is why I'm saying, where are all the white > male Americans? > > My wife also does recruiting for the firm and has reviewed thousands > of CVs and interviewed hundreds of people. They do this in large > teams and the decisions are made as a group. Easily over 60% of the > applicants AREN'T WHITE MEN! > > I can tell you as an absolute fact, race is not a factor in who they > hire. Further, she competes with the other 2 top firms for candidates > and they regularly have "bake-offs" for them. That is, 3 top > consulting firms are competing for the same people, and the majority > are minorities! > > Part of her job is working with CEOs, CFOs, EVPs, etc and they usually > make staffing changes for some of the largest companies in the world - > qualification and experience, not race, is what they make their > decision on. > > Previous to that we did some things in investment banking with > companies you've heard of like MorganStanley and Deutsche Bank Gruppe. > I can assure that race was not a factor there either, and the > recruiting was exactly the same. > > In December I was in France at an industry meeting attended by top > people in their fields. One of the key speakers was a Romanian woman > who lived in the UAE. Another was an English woman, and another was a > black African. White men were in the minority. > > Many of our friends and associates work for venture capital firms or > private equity groups. The majority are minorities and they work for > firms headed by minorities. Others are have top positions with > Fortune 500 companies - many are women or minorities. > > Lastly, of all of these people, I've never heard a single one complain > about institutional racism. > > You can write that off as "anecdotal evidence", but if I am to believe > you these thousands of people I talk to and meet every year are all > exceptions, and the dearth of white male applicants is a fluke. > > Basically you're telling me not to believe my lying eyes, and to > believe you; that's not a compelling argument. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:145557 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
