Couldn't have explained it better myself. It's good to be around friends of like mind :)
Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 10:43 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: speaking of > > > > Sam wrote: > > My point was when Gruss rehashes the Left's ratings that are used as > > propaganda by al-Jazeera and others against America then it is > > demoralizing America, in my opinion. > > There's 2 things here, and I'll take the second one first, > "demoralizing America": > > (1) > The greatest things an American can do is speak out against his > government - it's the ultimate patriotic act, besides dying for that > right. > > The concept that publicly disagreeing with your gov't in times of war > is wrong is the principle every dictatorship throughout history has > used to control its people. First you say, "because of war you cannot > speak free." Then we say, "because of war, you cannot act free". > Finally, "because of war you cannot live free." > > This extends to GitMo where we hold prisoners without due process. > Legally they aren't owed it, even by the Geneva Convention, IMO, and > typically during war POWs have no rights unless a crime is committed > within the camp. That is all reasonable. > > The problem comes in when you define war as forever. Now the act of > denying due process becomes a state imposed policy. It is for that > reason that I would say the "war on terror" is not a "war" and we > should be demonstrating to the world the principles we hold dear which > the terrorists are opposing. This is what won the Cold War. > > > (2) > What's a Liberal? > Typically talk radio defines it in a simplistic, and therefore wrong, > way: if you oppose Mr. Bush you're a liberal. > > It's a bit trickier and you have to split it up even to be simple: > > * Fiscal liberals believe that the federal gov't should use tax > revenue to solve social problems such as poverty, for example Social > Security or Welfare, education, or racism. > > * Fiscal conservatives believe that the free market is the best place > for this and only in the case of a demonstrable, repeatable market > failure should the federal gov't step in. > > * Social conservatives believe the federal gov't should be used to > impose an arbitrary morality on citizens. > > * Social liberals believe freedom is the ultimate morality and > therefore only those acts which violate "pursuit of happiness" should > be legislated, and on a local level. > > Mr. Bush is fiscally liberal and socially conservative. I am the > opposite so I oppose him, but, as Robert pointed out, I'm libertarian > rather than liberal. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:162736 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
