You said that I could only view you via my "sterotypical view" whcih is calling me unable to make my own decision. You dont' know the first thing about me nor my feelings about the news nor where I form my opinions. Your assumption is always that those who disagree with you must be disillusioned which is insulting and quite wrong. You are quite free to disagree with others and offer arguments against their opinions however what you choose to do instead is insult them and assume all sorts of things about them. Basically, YOU are the judgemental one - you are the one making assumptions about other peoples motives.
> -----Original Message----- > From: Benjamin Falloon [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 10:13 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > Beth, > > I'm sorry but you are just making things up! > Manufacture is not the same as invent. Look up the word in a dictionary. I > never called anyone a) horrible war wonger or b) sheep? Where did you get > this from? > > Your crazy! > > Benjamin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fleischer, Beth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 4:05 AM > Subject: RE: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > That is NOT what you said. I didnt' exaggerate one iota. > > > > Here is what you said: > > > > "manufacture of 'stories' (one of these being the > > > > celebrating Palistinians, another being the oppression of women > > in > > > > Aphganistan for example). > > > > manufacture (INVENT) > > verb [T] > > to invent (an excuse, reason, story etc.) in order to deceive someone > > > > > > I would assume you put quotes around stories because you meant to imply > they > > were ficticious. > > Obviously you implied that you felt these stories were invented and > untrue. > > > > > > So you think the media isn't objective. well, no shit benjamin - the > media > > isn't objective (as no human being is) and shows what they think its > > important rather than other things. > > > > I actually would agree that the pictures of the palestinians dancing in > the > > streets may have been taken out of context - a good palestinian friend > > pointed out to me that the palestinians generally look much worse when > > expressing anti american sentiment, burning flags and such. But i also > > think its a part of the culture of the people at this point to respect > the > > lives of israelis or americans. > > > > However, I don't believe that the stories of taliban oppression were > > exaggerated at all. > > > > Note, benjamin I make both of these conclusions based on non-media > sources. > > We aren't all being blindly led around by the finger of CNN, nor are we > > stupid enough to not be able to make critical judgements of the media. > We > > aren't sheep. your assumption that anyone who disagrees with you is a) > a > > horrible war monger and b) a sheep is quite irritating. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Benjamin Falloon [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 8:18 PM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Re: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > > > Beth, > > > > > > I'm not certain how you arrived at such an exaggerated understanding > of > my > > > original post. But allow me at least the oppertunity to expand my > > > perspetive > > > before you sarcastically attack my posts once more, even though the > > > original > > > post was not even address to you. > > > > > > I may have refered to television (and this can be broadened to any > > > corporately own/operated news service) as manufactured, but I did not > in > > > any > > > way insinuate that the 'stories' were myth. News services (mostly) > deliver > > > their content in a highly constructed way. News is like coka cola; > coke > is > > > based on sugar, a 'real world' ingredient, just as the "oppression of > > > afghanistan women" may too be 'real world', but the end result > delivered > > > by > > > the news services is nothing 'natural'... it is a manufacured > construct > > > intentionally mixed to produce the desired effect. This is how I view > > > corporate news services. Most of what is aired looks no different > from, > > > and > > > indeed reflects the kind of news approach highlighted by the nineties > film > > > "Wag the Dog". > > > > > > Images are carefully selected, edited and cut with emotive music and > > > commentry designed to promote a certain perspective. Exactly whose > > > perspective/interests/politics represented are beyond the reach of > this > > > discussion, but the net effect of these kinds of presentations are not > at > > > all dissimilar to those effects achieved by the entertainment industry > as > > > a > > > whole. > > > > > > News is entertainment/entertainment is news. I find making judgements > upon > > > other peoples/cultures etc based on this kind of information > offensive. > > > > > > I recall a previous post by Gary that brought up the lack on true > > > investigative reporting in the main stream news. My oppinion on the > news > > > is > > > an extension of this logic. > > > > > > Benjamin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Fleischer, Beth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 12:12 PM > > > Subject: RE: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > > > > > > > Folks!! > > > > > > > > did you hear it! The oppression of afghanistan women is a myth, > made > up > > > by > > > > the media. > > > > > > > > Benjamin, I heard about the plight of afghani women several years > ago > > > when > > > > an afghan woman came to speak at a university. Did she make it up > too? > > > was > > > > she in on the big media conspiracy? Were the stories she told of > women > > > > being killed for walking down the street with a man whom they > weren't > > > > married to made up too? Were the stories of female lawyers and > doctors > > > made > > > > up too? And she left afghanistan not because she was no longer > > > allowed > > > to > > > > practice law there, but just to spread these lies about the > wonderful > > > > taliban rule? All those underground schools to teach girls dont' > exist > > > > right - because under the taliban rule girls WERE allowed to go to > > > school? > > > > And all this information I received prior to 9/11 - it was made up > for > > > WHAT > > > > REASON? > > > > > > > > so, all the people in afghanistan listening to music again, shaving > > > their > > > > beards, taking off their masks, they weren't really oppressed its > just > a > > > > media invention, right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The western media is at best, extrodinatily limited in it's > > > representation > > > > > of 'real people' in the middle east (or media east as it's exists > for > > > us). > > > > > Furthermore, it's representation is more often designed to promote > > > this > > > > > kind > > > > > of discussion by manufacture of 'stories' (one of these being the > > > > > celebrating Palistinians, another being the oppression of women in > > > > > Aphganistan for example). These stories are the developed and made > > > self > > > > > referencial, repeated over and over by all media outlets until > they > > > become > > > > > the measure of oppinion polls on presidencial popularity. There > > > simplify > > > > > polarize and synthasize politics and culture for the fast food > culture > > > > > that > > > > > is America. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:18 AM > > > > > Subject: RE: Massive blasts rock Central Jerusalem :( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. There were a LOT more than 1 woman and 5 kids. There were PA > > > police > > > > > > taking camera's away from reporters to avoid the news from it. > There > > > > > were > > > > > > letters of protest from the AP and Reuters over it. I know > people > > > who > > > > > live > > > > > > in Israel and have first hand reports as do many others. > > > > > > 2. The rumor that it was old footage was debunked. It started > with > a > > > > > > student in Argentina and spread. It was real footage. > > > > > > 3. I don't condemn any Palestinian for the actions of some truly > > > sick > > > > > > people who take pride and happiness in the suffering of others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >As or your second quesion... > > > > > > >First, that clip of a women dancing and five kids > > > > > > >clapping there hands, I wouldnt realy know how that is > > > > > > >considred 'my people', last time i checked, the > > > > > > >Palestinian population was not reprented by a women > > > > > > >and 5 kids, and yes, a car passing by blowings its > > > > > > >horn...Second, CNN, which first aired the clip, was > > > > > > >and still is accused of airing an old clip which was > > > > > > >taking during the Iraq war, except , sadly, no media > > > > > > >outlet would ever let the story run, nor deny or > > > > > > >confirm the reports.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Now i dont know if that is right or wrong, I do > > > > > > >believe that YES, its very possible that there does > > > > > > >exist a palestinian women who danced in the streets, > > > > > > >and its so re-assuring that a camera somehow found her > > > > > > >dancing and aired her image, two hours after the > > > > > > >incident.....I would think there would be more > > > > > > >pressing issues at that time,but i guess a Palestinian > > > > > > >women supposedly dancing in the streets of > > > > > > >Palestine,is more important than the those tens and > > > > > > >thousands of casualties and the chaos that was > > > > > > >happening here.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I guess the Palestinians where just about to get there > > > > > > >independence and your blessings, and this women came > > > > > > >and screwed everything up for us!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > >BTW, the women was kinda a heavy set, so i wouldnt > > > > > > >realy call it "Jumping up for Joy", the poor old lady > > > > > > >could barely walk, but she was eating sweets, which > > > > > > >does probably translate to her as jumping up for > > > > > > >joy!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. 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