I would say a racist COUNTRY would have to have racist legislation, or rather not have racism be illegal.
> -----Original Message----- > From: Will Swain [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 8:55 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: I'll never understand... > > Well, it's an interesting question. How would one ascertain what a racist > society is? Would examples of institutionalised racism be enough? What > about > examples of racism in the police force or army? Or in the area of work? Or > would there need to be examples of racist legislation? > > will > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fleischer, Beth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 17 December 2001 17:45 > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: I'll never understand... > > > a COUNTRY being RACIST and individuals being RACIST are different imo. > our country is NOT racist. Racism certainly exists, in certain societies > in > our country its the norm, but the country is NOT racist. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Will Swain [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 8:39 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: I'll never understand... > > > > Not that I know of. And that was my point really. I was referring to > > Michael's assertion that he does not live in a racist society. > > > > will > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Fleischer, Beth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: 17 December 2001 17:35 > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: I'll never understand... > > > > > > I am not aware of any countries in which racism doesn't exist. > > Are there any? > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Will Swain [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 7:43 AM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: RE: I'll never understand... > > > > > > Personally, I have no problem with people commenting on countries and > > > cultures of which they have no direct experience, as long as they do > it > > > with > > > this fact in mind. You say something about British culture that I > > consider > > > to be innacurate and I will point it out to you, but I wouldn't > suggest > > > that > > > you should never have said it. > > > > > > I think that we both live in societies where racism is still an > > > institutionalised problem. Certainly in this country (UK) there is a > > > problem. Its very difficult for me to see, because I am white and > middle > > > class. However, my brother is married to a black woman, and she speaks > > of > > > racism as normal - just one of those things you have to deal with. I > > also > > > have a black foster brother, and again, his experience is that racism > is > > > endemic in our culture. I have little personal experience of the > > situation > > > in the States, however I would suspect that there would be a number of > > > people who would disagree with your analysis. > > > > > > Lastly, whether or not you can analyse statistics to help understand a > > > problem? I don't think this kind of analysis indicates total > ignorance, > > > and > > > actually can prove quite useful, as long as one remembers that > > statistics > > > can lie. > > > > > > Will > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: 17 December 2001 16:31 > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Re: I'll never understand... > > > > > > > > > One reason why I don't comment on Afghanistan, Israel, etc. I will > > > comment on our governments activities, but I don't comment on the way > > > other countries live their lives. > > > > > > I have no problem with people criticizing the actions of the > government. > > > I may disagree with ones assertions, but I don't have a problem with > > > people commenting on it. When someone makes ignorant (as in > uneducated) > > > comments on something that they know literally nothing about, then I > > > don't care for it. His interpretation does not come from direct > > > experience but through the filtered and veiled eyes of others. His > > > disdain for our country seethes deeper than just a loathing for the > > > government but extends to the people themselves. The comments that he > > > made are evidence of that. > > > > > > I do not believe that we live in a racist society. You can't look at > a > > > bunch of numbers and from that derive the problem. That demonstrates > to > > > me total ignorance. > > > > > > Michael Corrigan > > > Programmer > > > Endora Digital Solutions > > > www.endoradigital.com > > > 630/942-5211 x-134 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Will Swain > > > To: CF-Community > > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 10:00 AM > > > Subject: RE: I'll never understand... > > > > > > > > > A reasonable point, apart from the fact that to the best of my > > > knowledge, no > > > one on this list lives in Afghanistan, yet we all seem to have > > > opinions on > > > the quality of life there. > > > > > > If you are only qualified to comment on a country, its domestic > > > politics and > > > its culture if you live there, we wouldn't be discussing much on > here. > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: 17 December 2001 15:49 > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Re: I'll never understand... > > > > > > > > > Where is this perception that you have come from? You don't even > live > > > here? > > > > > > Michael Corrigan > > > Programmer > > > Endora Digital Solutions > > > www.endoradigital.com > > > 630/942-5211 x-134 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Benjamin Falloon > > > To: CF-Community > > > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 11:49 AM > > > Subject: Re: I'll never understand... > > > > > > > > > > A group of people that will cut off a thief's hands, condone the > > > murder of > > > family members for adultery, etc... > > > > > > Also, I'd have to say that if you could respond with some facts > > > about > > > america that are equally disturbing. America, a country glued to > the > > > television set, obsessed with buying things they don't need and > > > bombing/invading foreign countries a least twice every decade > (while > > > engaged > > > in numerous conflicts around the globe). The american idea of > > > justice > > > is > > > executing people in the electric chair or dispatching them via a > > > 'gas > > > chamber', or the so called 'humane' method of killing - the lethal > > > injection. A country built on slavery which still mantains a > > > powerful > > > racist > > > undercurrent in its cultural make up. Major racial disparity in > the > > > US > > > results in the incarceration of African American men at a rate 4 > > > times > > > those > > > incarcerated by the former aparteid nation of South Africa. > > > > > > Do you want me to go on? > > > > > > Benjamin > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Howie Hamlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 3:16 AM > > > Subject: I'll never understand... > > > > > > > > > > I really don't get it... > > > > > > > > A group of people that will cut off a thief's hands, condone the > > > murder of > > > family members for adultery, etc... Yet, here's an > > > > article that really makes me wonder: > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/ny-warpray1216.story?co= > > > > > > ny%2 > > > Dtop%2Dheadlines > > > > > > > > I may be naive but I don't think I'll ever understand this way > of > > > thinking... > > > > > > > > Howie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-community@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
