> -----Original Message-----
> From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 12:14 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Being Gay: Nature or Nurture?
> 
> > In short I really wouldn't surprised if, at the genetic
> > level, there's a very fine (and pretty damn malleable)
> > line between "straight" and "gay".
> 
> There can't be... because some of us aren't straight or gay. :)

Well... anything can be done half-assed.  Even the utterly simple process of
gender preference.  Besides... we all know you bi-sexuals are just plain
greedy.  ;^)

> I suspect more often than not a persons sexual preference / identity
> is not dominated by a genetic drive but rather the result of having an
> "in-between" genetic predilection which is then aculturated to become
> whatever that person's experiences lead them to become. Which would
> leave the number of people who simply never think about or get aroused
> by one gender or the other as being the minority of common but aberant

Maybe... but I'm not so sure.  There have been studies attempting to
"laterally" show such a subconscious apathy but I've not heard of any that
worked.

For example during a "phony" study on some other topic (cognitive function,
response time, etc) people would be exposed to hotties (for example the
person might be told to respond with the color of the pictured object and
the picture might be a red beach ball with bikini babes unobtrusively in the
background).

The idea, of course, is to measure subconscious arousal to stimuli without
social filters kicking in.

There is a definite challenge to be made that perhaps social filters
themselves are subconscious and can't be "stopped" but that's not been the
case in other studies (for example food studies).

I'm not saying that it's wrong (I don't know) but I'd be interested in
studies or even ideas for studies that could show it.

At the same (as I've said in this thread) people are wonderfully complex
animals with brains perhaps too large for their own good.  I'm confident
that the human mind can subsume, whether by choice or subconsciously, pretty
much any biological drive.

> I've read several articles from bisexual men in particular talking
> about how they can't express their interest in women without being
> ridiculed by their peers. I know the women in the "pink mafia" tend to
> be very similar. One lesbian couple in Florida stopped talking to Tiff
> after expressing an interest in developing a relationship with her
> because she _suggested_ that they _meet_ (not fuck) me for 5 minutes
> at a coffee shop since I'm her transportation. They told her she
> obviously didn't understand women's issues and subsequently stopped
> answering any of her emails.

Jeeze... you hand out with some fucked up people.  ;^)

My experience has been the opposite.  I've not met the militant homosexuals
as you've described.  Maybe it's different in NY.  ;^)

But there you go - that's the quality of anecdotal evidence.

Jim Davis


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