> Afterall what has the Patriot Act achieved?

A lot, but that's not really the issue. I mean, we all know that we can 
achieve a little bit more security if we give up more of our civil 
liberties. So...yeah, the Patriot Act might have made us safer, but was it 
worth the cost? Many believe it wasn't, or that there is a better way to do 
it.

And please, can we NOT drag out that annoying Ben Franklin quote....... 



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