I wish this list had an archive ... does it? I looked on the House of Fusion site and couldn't find one.
If I'm wrong about what Beth has said, then I should do the Mailing List equivalent of Hare Kari and quit the list -- admitting my shame, because I have certainly shamed myself if I'm wrong. I have searched my own outbox and I could not find any direct words from Beth contradicting the below. I found some stuff where if I string it together, I come up with a picture that suggests a larger whole, but that isn't really enough evidence, is it? What I did find was this quote from myself: "But in another post, you (meaning Beth) just said, the students should not be allowed to use school resources (which would include the floor they're standing on, as well as the class time taken), for a religious gathering." I also find Beth's position contradictory on points. She has stated sentiments like those below, but she has maintained, it seems to me, that it's darn near impossible for a religious group not to meet on campus and not be an established club. I wish I had more copies of the original Enron thread (where this all started), because I remember her coming down on the school in Kentucky that allowed a group of Christian athletes to meet, with a teacher present. This is exactly the kind of meeting I maintain should be allowed, and my impression of those first posts is that she was opposed to it. Her words below would then contradict my memory, because by her words below, the Christian athletes would be allowed to meet on campus. If I accurately paraphrased her in that post (above), from Jan. 28, then I think she is advocating a complete ban on religious activity on school grounds, regardless of time of day, etc. (Since I replied in a different thread than what I was paraphrasing her from, I don't have her exact words saved.) It's also important to note that the original hostility argument wasn't between me and her. It started with two other parties, who have been happy to sit on the sidelines while Beth and I slug it out. Beth came to their defense. Their positions where more clearly aligned with my major complaint (at least based on the evidence of my own outbox): denying rights to religious groups. If I have misconstrued Beth's position, and the position below is accurate, then we are in total agreement and this whole thing has been a silly misunderstanding. I still feel my own points have been twisted or misrepresented, but that is no excuse of misunderstanding Beth. H. -----Original Message----- From: Beth Fleischer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 9:51 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Church and State > > I advocate: Equal protection under the law; no discrimination based on race, > creed or sexual orientation. If you are a group, religious or not, who want > to use a public facility, school or not, with our without a > teacher/supervisor, so long as you are not breaking or advocating the > breaking of any law, then you have an absolute right to use that facility. I haven't said anything that contradicts the above. I believe any group can use a public facility. I do not think the public schools should hold religious clubs associated with the school. ______________________________________________________________________ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
