Beth: It's hard not to laugh out loud when you say "No one has argued that christians (sic) shouldn't have equal access to public facilities" when you personally have been the worst offender. You have blatantly pursued a course of reasoning that wants an absolute ban on Christians using public facilities.
And if you can't see how that line of thinking isn't hostile to Christians, I can't help you. Furthermore, I think you show your stripes when you publicly disrespect me, a person you have never up to this point agreed with on anything, by using a form of my name that is overly familiar and which I have never granted you permission to us. With all due respect to another Howie we all know and whom I admire, I don't like people outside of my family using that name for me. H. -----Original Message----- From: BethF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 9:13 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Church and State > No, it's hostility because nobody in this forum, in this discussion has > advocated "forcing" religion on any other person. What we have said is > "equal access, equal protection," which are constitutionally guaranteed > rights and fundamental rights. But what a number of people have argued is > that Christians should not have equal access to public facilities. In other > words, the rights of Christians should be abridged based on personal > prejudice against Christians. That is hostility, plain and simple. It is > unjust and intolerant. Actually, howie, the reason we are discussing Christians is because the scenario we are discussing was a Christian group of students. We haven't said "all christians want to...blah blah". No one has argued that christians shouldn't ahve equal access to public facilities. Where did you see this sentiment? Please give an example instead of telling me to search the archives. The discussion was about a particular group of students - based on a real life scenario. If the group was jewish I would have the exact same issue with it and so would all of us who argued against it to begin with. I am afraid you are seeing prejudice and hostility where it isn't there. --Beth, Pseudo usenet cop Merlin MTB, BikeE AT, RANS gliss, Trek R200, Kickbike Owned by Kavik (Samoyed Boy) and Toklat (Keeshond Boy) Anchorage, Alaska > > H. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Braver, Ben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 8:18 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Church and State > > > Howard- > > I strongly disagree with you about the "hostility" issue. > Sorry you feel that way. > > Neither Mo nor I are expressing hostility towards Christianity. > Please re-read our posts more carefully, sir. > > What we are saying is that evangelistic / fundamentalist Christian sect (a > minority of all Christians) are the *only* group which is demanding the > introduction of prayer and *their* beliefs into the schools. > > (Now, I'm just speaking for myself.) I have NEVER seen Catholics, > Presbyterians, Lutherans, Methodists, or other "mainstream" Christians do > any of the things we are criticizing. Only the "fringe" groups. But they are > very vocal and gaining political power in ways that frighten me. > > Nor have I ever seen Muslim, Buddhist, Taoist, Hindu, Shinto etc. etc. > groups trying to do what they do. > > Please get it through your head sir that this is not "hostility", it is a > defense against an attack by a group that is undermining the equal access > and equal protection. They think that their particular stripe of > Christianity is the only way, and are attempting to force it on other > Christians as well as non-Christians. > > -Ben > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 8:38 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Church and State > > > I think you prove my point on the hostility issue -- hostility toward > Christianity, because no where have I supported using schools to push dogma > or Christianity. > > I have said -- equal access -- equal protection. It's constitutional. And as > much as you might like to wish it away because of your hostility toward > Christianity, you can't. > > H. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Maureen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:08 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Church and State > > > At 04:59 PM 1/27/02, Howard wrote: > > >5) What you are preaching is not government neutrality in respect to > >religion, but government hostility to religion. > > > No, what is being said is that no one religion has the right to force their > presence on others in a forum funded by taxpayer money, i.e. by the > government. > > And again, you are mixing religion and Christianity, because no other > religion is demanding the right to pray or teach their dogma in public > schools. > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
