This is where you and I will never agree. To me, I think there is a certain amount of arrogance that goes with saying, I can understand God. I mean no disrespect, please just follow along.
Consider a gnat. Consider a man. Consider the gap in intelligence and natural ability for intelligence between the two. That's how far apart we are from God. Consider the vast intelligence and power it would take to "create" the universe. To me, that sort of ability is incomprehensible. I don't see how there could be a logical argument otherwise. My position that a person's mind is much too limited to ever even grapple intelligently with what we cannot know. We just can't know what we can't know. If you think the sum of all human knowledge, plus all future human knowledge, and the sum of all potential knowledge is all the knowledge there is, you are, IMHO, overestimating human intelligence -- and overestimating on a scale to vast to understand. H. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- from: Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 17:13:18 -0500 >Which to me is a flaw. So when you say "our temporal understandings are >irrelevant", please speak for your self. > >To me my "temporal understandings" are relevant, for to believe, or even >trust something, there has be something tangible I can use, A book of >stories, (meaning no disrespect here), is not good enough for me. > >To say that God lives out side of the Universe is fine, but I want to know >and understand where that is, what that is and where it came from. To say >it is just there and mere mortals cannot understand it is not giving people >the credit they deserve. > >You may be scared to try to understand it, afraid of what it may prove or >disprove. You may not care to understand it, you have better things to do. >But never say that man cannot understand things. At some time we will >eventually learn to understand everything. That may be a sad time, or a >happy time, but it could soon come. > >At 02:01 PM 2/6/2002 -0800, you wrote: >>The problem with this question is that outside of this universe, there is >>no "from." God, as the Bible teaches, and I believe most if not all other >>religions, is an eternal being. This means no beginning nor an end. >> >>If God created the universe, he must exist outside of it. Outside of the >>universe, must be a place where our temporal understandings are irrelevant. >> >>What we know about God and eternity, in comparison to the reality, is but >>a thimble of water in the oceans of the world. >> >>It is fruitless to try and fully comprehend the full nature of God with >>such limited knowledge. There is no way for us, with our relatively >>limited ability, to comprehend God or eternity. >> >>The universe is a place of time and space. We know it has a definite >>beginning. That is has operated by the same rules of physics and chemistry >>for billions of years, and from our limited perspective this will never >>change. But God is outside of all that. It is a totally different reality >>from what we can understand. >> >>All of this, of course, departs from what we can know empirically. All we >>can know empirically is that the universe had a beginning. And all >>beginnings have a cause. We can only speculate about what that cause is >>and that is where faith comes in. >> > ______________________________________________________________________ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
