Really? Everything I was reading _at the time_ said that it was not
going to work out like Bush et al had planned. They pointed out that
what is happening now is _exactly_ why Bush Sr did not press in the
first Gulf War. He and his advisors predicted exactly this outcome.

I also remember the military top commanders stating they needed WAY
more troops to accomplish and hold than Rumsfeld was allowing, hence
the spate of "retirings" at the start.

Then, once it became to _everyone_ in the nation it wasn't going all
that well (2 years ago+), they still insisted it was going perfectly,
nothing to worry about, the plan is perfect.

Well, I don't see it going all that well from my comfortable seat here
on the sidelines. And those members of the military I talk to
privately share that opinion. Including a Special Forces officer in
Afghanistan, and a small-boat interdiction specialist in Iraq (both of
whom see almost constant action). They say it is hotter this year than
last, which was worse than the year before.

On 11/6/06, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How so?
>
> We saw their forces collapse the first time, that was again the expected,
> and eventual result.
>
> The following turmoil, initially generated by outside sources (Iran, Al
> Queda....) couldn't have been accurately predicted.  You can dig up an
> intelligence report from the same time frame with the directly opposing
> prediction, especially in the wake of the early big successes in
> Afghanistan.
>
> I'd hate to say it people but it's a lot easier to put stuff down in
> hindsight.

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