I'll take a muffin dammit. I'm feeling picked on. I need to pass a lab
test tomorrow.

On 11/28/06, Todd Ashworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The thing that I am most uncomfortable with is you (and others defending the
> police actions as seen on the recording) seem to be saying that it is
> alright for police to assume someone is guilty of something and then begin
> applying punishment for the 'crime' as they see fit.  "The kid won't show
> his ID.  He is obviously guilty of .. something.  Apply punishment."  I
> think this is what a lot of it comes down to.  The police were not keeping
> the peace.  The police took a tool that is designed incapacitate someone, as
> an alternative to shooting them in self defense, and used it in a punitive
> fashion instead.  They were not detaining him with it.  They were punishing
> him with it.  I don't know how much clearer it can be.  They seemed more
> concerned with teaching him a lesson than simply picking him up, tossing him
> in the back of the car and driving off before any of them caused a minor
> riot.  You don't have a problem with this?  With your comments suggesting
> "The little bastard deserved it.", I suppose not.  Perhaps I am
> misunderstanding, but you seem to be leaning more towards the 'martial law'
> you are complaining about .. "There will be a 11 PM curfew at the library.
> Violators will be tazerd on sight."
>
> I am not defending the kid.  I think the kid was being an ass and trying to
> put on a show, as you said.  Both he and the police handled the situation ..
> poorly.  The police simply crossed the line.
>
> Also, please, quit trying to drag this down into an issue of politics.  You
> may dislike the kid for his apparent political leanings and want to see him
> get his hippy, liberal ass kicked for expressing them in a very poor and
> ill-timed way, but politics has little else to do with this.
>
>
> On a side, I was just thinking yesterday that I remember when this list was
> about almost everything but politics.  It's now what every other posting is
> about and it annoys the heck out of me.  Where did all of the love go?
> *sniff*
>
> I demand muffins and sweaters.  And puppies.  And sweater-puppies.  Oh, and
> kittens.  Maybe even a horse or two.  Leave the frying pans at the door,
> though.
>
> PT
> -----
> Nuking the politics for a better last 5 years.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Stroz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community" <cf-community@houseoffusion.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 10:10 AM
> Subject: Re: more civil rights goodness
>
>
> > Nothing you can say can convince me that this schmuck is a 'victim'.  It
> > belittles the term when we throw it around so freely.  He was being
> > belligerent, and probably trying to show off for some of his liberal
> friends
> > and fighting the 'system'.
> >
> > I think its safe to assume that someone who is in place they should not
> be,
> > and refusing to show ID, is probably doing something they should not be
> > doing.
> >
> > Once again, don't criticize until or unless you have walked a mile in
> their
> > shoes.  In today's society, being a police officer is probably one of the
> > most difficult jobs in this country.  Between the liberals, who seem to
> want
> > no police force, and the conservatives, who seem to want martial law, it
> > must be extremely difficult to make a decision knowing you will get
> > criticized by one side or the other.
> >
> > --
> > Scott Stroz
>
>
> 

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