Diane Rehms had a show today about this very thing. One of her guests quoted the Soc. security office that stated illegals contribute about 7.1 Billion to SS which they do not claim back.
On 8/11/07, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My friend, you are trying to wield logic in a pissing contest. I > admire the attempt though..... > > On 8/10/07, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > okay, maybe I'm not being real clear. The guy I was talking to said > > that all of his workers had given him socials. He was withholding > > taxes on his workers paychecks, just like normal. His workers weren't > > filing for tax refunds since they were afraid of being "found". > > So therefore, from this perspective, the government is getting tax > > money that it wouldn't normally because at this income level, all of > > it would be a refund. > > > > > > > > On 8/10/07, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The opposite would happen. > > > > > > Those jobs would still have to be filled, taxes would still be coming in, > > > and the number of American's unemployed would go down. More tax income, > > > and > > > less government spending on welfare and social programs. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 5:57 PM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? > > > > > > yes, this is my point exactly. How much will we start losing in tax > > > revenue if we suddenly get rid of 12 million illegal immigrants. > > > > > > On 8/10/07, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > yes perhaps. Money is still going into the system under the numbers > > > however. > > > > > > > > On 8/10/07, Scott Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I'll bet that the socials are fake, or hijacked. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Scott Stewart > > > > > ColdFusion Developer > > > > > > > > > > SSTWebworks > > > > > 4405 Oakshyre Way > > > > > Raleigh, NC. 27616 > > > > > (703) 220-2835 > > > > > > > > > > http://www.sstwebworks.com > > > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/sstwebworks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 4:52 PM > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? > > > > > > > > > > I would be curious as to how many of the 12 million illegals actually > > > > > do pay taxes. I was talking with a guy the other day and he told me > > > > > that all of his workers had given him socials, but he was pretty sure > > > > > that most of them weren't legal and weren't filing for refunds since > > > > > they feared getting caught. > > > > > > > > > > On 8/10/07, Scott Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > My big problem, is that there are 12 million illegals in the > > > > > > country, > > > they > > > > > > use resources (clinics, schools, welfare, etc) intended for tax > > > > > > paying > > > > > > citizens, without paying into the system. So their getting a free > > > ride. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two counties in Virginia, Prince William and Loudon that > > > have > > > > > > enacted legislation that requires proof of citizenship before being > > > > > allowed > > > > > > access to county services, I'm all for this, provided that it's a > > > level > > > > > > playing field, which means that everyone is held to the same > > > > > > standard. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't buy into "oh it's so difficult and expensive to get into the > > > US" > > > > > > it's not. The system does need to be streamlined, but I've seen no > > > > > evidence > > > > > > of any ridiculous fees... > > > > > > > > > > > > I also don't buy into the notion that the US owes the world > > > > > > something > > > and > > > > > > should simply throw open it's borders. There's not another country > > > > > > in > > > the > > > > > > world that has completely open borders, we shouldn't have them > > > > > > either. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Scott Stewart > > > > > > ColdFusion Developer > > > > > > > > > > > > SSTWebworks > > > > > > 4405 Oakshyre Way > > > > > > Raleigh, NC. 27616 > > > > > > (703) 220-2835 > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.sstwebworks.com > > > > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/sstwebworks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 4:00 PM > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? > > > > > > > > > > > > >nah, the crime rate, the illegals who populate our jails, and the > > > money > > > > > > >I FUCKING SPEND ON IT with my $1000 a paycheck that goes towards > > > > > > >them and the fucking war in iraq. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to see some real numbers on that. All I've ever heard so > > > > > > far > > > is > > > > > > nativist rhetoric about the evil illegal immigrants who are here to > > > murder > > > > > > us, rape our wimmin and park illegally. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Get involved in the latest ColdFusion discussions, product development sharing, and articles on the Adobe Labs wiki. http://labs/adobe.com/wiki/index.php/ColdFusion_8 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:240105 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
