I think you are right about social groups.
Since I work for the school district, I see a lot of kids every morning and
afternoon (they pass by the DO every day going to and from school). Anyway,
I can tell what group is what. The gangsters, wangsters and wiggers are
wearing the baggy pants. The bros (dirt bikers) wear the Dickies shirts and
jeans or Dickies pants and shirts. The Goth of course are pale white with
black clothes/hair/makeup. And the ones who live in the mountains
(cheerleaders and their ilk) are the ones in designer clothes. Oh, and the
skateboarders are the ones wearing jeans, tee-shirts and hoodies or a knit
cap in 110 degree weather.

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Rawlins - Think Blue
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:45 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: So what do you all think of a ban to eliminate droopy drawers

I think there is a great deal more to this than just fashion though guys,
the way people dress often is a representation of their cultural standing,
we're talking about culture as much as we are about the way in which they
dress.

Over here in the UK we've had a large amount of problems with what is known
as the 'chav' culture. Now chavs are generally a deviant bunch of
misbehaving youths, however they're all recognisable by the way in which
they dress, tight jeans, white trainers a hooded top, baseball cap and a
shaven head.

Now to deal with this kind of problem, many establishments around the
country such as shopping malls, supermarkets and suchlike banned entry to
anyone dressed in this manner. They were also targeted more regularly by the
police, in the same way that if you drive a bright green modified Vauxhall
nova you're going to be stopped more regularly.

I think this is more about the social group to which they belong rather than
strictly the way they dress.

Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 30 August 2007 17:33
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: So what do you all think of a ban to eliminate droopy drawers

That's good stuff. 
I do agree with the majority that if I find something offensive, I can turn
the channel, read something else, move away from the conversation, turn the
radio off,  etc... And of course I can look away from the kids wearing their
pants down to their knees. (btw, it is about an even number of races where I
live that do this). 
But if something is constantly out there and not just me, but many others
find it offensive, possibly indecent, then we should do nothing? Hope that
it fades away like leisure suits and butterfly collars?

Nudists don't find the nude body in public offensive, but others do. So
there are laws that say if I am running around in public nude, I get
arrested for public indecency. So it seems that the ones offended get their
way and the nudists have to go to their colony or private beach to be
comfortable. 
So why can't the same argument be applied to this? How is that not trampling
on my freedom of expression? If you don't like me running around nude, look
the other way. Or am I comparing apples to oranges?

Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: Justin Scott 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:14 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: So what do you all think of a ban to eliminate droopy drawers


Nope, you sure don't.  See article two of:

http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/law/non-rights.htm


-Justin Scott







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