you remember the last thread you made this demand on, it ended prematurely.
I for one, value my privacy. people know me on this list because I've been here since it got going. I have changed my handle, so perhaps any new lurkers may not have known, but its been slipped enough times that even they may know my name/nickname at this point. There are a lot of contentious issues raised on this list, and if one is honest with one's views, it could be detrimental. My own views almost always seem to run contrary to the general opinions on this list, and this is especially since the majority representation on the list is American. For example maybe if I were to run for public office someone could scour the internet and see my views on various items and use it against me. Who knows? Some people don't have these concerns and thus can be completely open. One of the things about the Internet is that it affords a certain amount of anonymity, which can be both a good and a bad thing in allowing people to express their views. I am seriously opposed to some of Gruss Grott's statements, many of which I find to be offensive and racist, elitist, and in some cases contrary for the sake of being so. Almost every racially polarised discussion on this list has been either started or propagated by him, including recent discussions. I personally talk off the cuff here, I don't sit and revise and review what I say to ensure that it is all nice and politically correct. At times I am downright silly. I'm quite open, as to my personality (my posts reflect what I would do were I really speaking to you, or a close facsimile ^_^ ) but I by no means think that this should be the norm, or even that it is a good thing in my favor. But *shrug* I've been a part of CF-Community for so long that I feel...comfortable here. :) So anonymity and the auspices under which this list is managed can both be used to promote and facilitate discussion, as well as have the effect of turning people away or allowing divisive commentary. That neutrality has for the most part been kept on the list, and in general it is probably a good thing. I don't think that everyone should be forced to expose their true identities, if only because this is an open list and the fact of the matter is that people are bastards and what you say can come back at you in the future. For what it is worth, off list Gruss Grott did send me a short email about himself. I can't recall if he had his real name in it though. On Jan 29, 2008 11:10 AM, Adam Churvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But imagine the kind of hurt a man has to be carrying around inside to do > this. He appears to be very afraid, and the shame of that fear drives a God > complex as a defense mechanism to make him feel better about himself in the > face of his overwhelming fear. > > I'm actually concerned about him. I've seen this in people, and it never > seems to turn out well without therapy. > > Respectfully, > > Adam Phillip Churvis > President > Productivity Enhancement > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Tony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:05 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: CF-Community Presidential Poll > > > > i have always had a sneakin suspicion that gruss was truly one of us > > and this is his alter ego speaking what he REALLY wants to say > > while being another person wholly out the in the open. > > > > my hunch. > > > > On Jan 29, 2008 9:54 AM, Adam Churvis > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Yes, but, you said I didn't address any of your points, whereas in > > fact I > > > believe that I clearly addressed every single one of them in detail. > > So > > > I'll ask you again, what *specifically* was I not clear about? > > > > > > I get the impression that you like to run and hide. For example, > > your > > > handle "Gruss Gott" (translated: "Praise God") seems like the name an > > > egotistical person with a God complex would choose for themselves -- > > > especially when their real identity remains anonymous. It's not like > > others > > > on this list who we all know, but who have amusing handles; you're > > > completely anonymous. You like to throw something at someone, then > > go run > > > and hide behind your mommy's protective skirt when your target comes > > back > > > after you. > > > > > > Why don't you have the guts to say who you really are? I'm serious > > when I > > > ask this: what deep fear are you harboring that makes you so afraid > > of > > > everything else? > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > Adam Phillip Churvis > > > President > > > Productivity Enhancement > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 9:44 AM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: Re: CF-Community Presidential Poll > > > > > > > > > Adam wrote: > > > > > Go ahead and tell me *specifically* what I wasn't clear about, > > either > > > > on > > > > > this thread or that one, and I'll be happy to try to explain > > better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > In general I don't want to take the antithesis POV here because I > > want > > > > you to be right; it's just that I've heard from and talked to > > enough > > > > people about this over the last 10 years that I am convinced this > > is > > > > not a realistic solution even if there wasn't political opposition. > > > > > > > > It's like arguing there's not a Santa Claus. I want there to be > > one, > > > > so I'm not excited in engaging in a debate that there isn't. > > > > > > > > I'm fully supportive of your efforts if only because I think the > > > > movement is useful, even if I think the motivation isn't viable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:252308 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
