I am listening actually. I just don't think that a soldier on the ground has the bird's eye view needed for policy decisions, and the policy decisions that have been made so far really suck. I am not convinced that more of the same solves anything. If we are alienating the local population, more of the same will not put an end to the war; it will just make more of them take up arms against us. Maybe I am wrong in thinking that this is what is going; I'd like to be. But suppose I am not. Can you see that escalation would make things worse not better?
On 3/25/08, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dana, the vast majority of soldiers agree that we need to see this > through, doesn't that mean anything to you? > > We don't want to see the lives already lost mean nothing, and would > rather lose more than simply quit now. > > We are an all volunteer military, and anyone who is in now has enlisted > or reenlisted after these conflicts have begun. You're trying to say > you support the soldiers here in a round about way, if thats true why > don't you listen to us, what we want is loosed ROE restrictions and > expanded theaters of operations. > > Dana wrote: > > There is honor in being a good soldier. There is no honor in being a > > commander who sends good soldiers into harm's way for stupid or > > self-serving reasons. > > > > On 3/25/08, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> It's an emotional response. Honor isn't always something logical. > >> > >> Dana wrote: > >>> I didn't say they were. I am trying to point out the underlying flaw > >>> in your logic. > >>> > >>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 9:29 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>> Government and the military aren't businesses. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Dana wrote: > >>>>> Isn't that the heart of the matter? We don't have a clue who the > >>>>> players are let alone what they are trying to do or by what rules. > >>>>> What a lose-lose proposition. Saying that we need to stay until we win > >>>>> is like saying that a business should sell below cost and make it up > >>>>> on volume. It will not happen no matter how valiantly we try. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>>> Two problems with that. > >>>>>> 1. The bad guys look just like the good guys. > >>>>>> 2. Our hands are tied in regards to what we can and can't do. Can't get > >>>>>> into details but I can tell you that our hands are tied. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> And when they report the number of civilians killed, they are including > >>>>>> the number killed by the bad guys, fellow peace loving tolerant > >>>>>> Muslims. > >>>>>> You want some insight into how they think, watch Suicide Killers. They > >>>>>> actually interview Hamas terrorists, the ones who were captured. One of > >>>>>> them even has a change of heart, which allowed him to be captured. You > >>>>>> find out about towards the end. And pay attention to the female > >>>>>> terrorists they captures (they being the Israelis). Really makes your > >>>>>> heart go out them for sure. (again, sarcasm). > >>>>>> Now I know that the Hamas are not the same terrorists that we are > >>>>>> fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, but if I were a betting man I would > >>>>>> wager that their line of thinking is pretty much the same across the > >>>>>> board. I mean hell, God promises you 72 virgins (a point brought up by > >>>>>> the terrorists many times) and a life of pleasure? These kids are > >>>>>> brainwashed into thinking this and this is their reason for wanting to > >>>>>> kill themselves. They hate their lives and want nothing more than all > >>>>>> this great stuff promised by them. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So you show me how to differentiate between a good Iraqi and a Bad one > >>>>>> and half the battle is won. Then we need to let the politicians allow > >>>>>> us > >>>>>> military types fight the war on our terms and the other half of the > >>>>>> battle is won. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dana wrote: > >>>>>>> weak whiny bitches huh ;) why don't you tell us what you really think. > >>>>>>> Shiiit. The problem with your theory is that killing all the bad guys > >>>>>>> doesn't work unless it is actually the bad guys you are killing. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> That's all > >>> > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:257422 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
