On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 1:42 PM, morgan l <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It is a Judeo-Christian term, how can you say it isn't?
>
> Easy, it isn't. Judeo-Christian's don't have the sole use of the term. In
> context, it was a Deist term, which most Christians I know scoff at, and
> accuse them of not being Christian (of course, they're right, but the
> scoffing part is uncalled for)

Thomas Jefferson was Christian.

> That "Biblical morality" is just morality that happens to appear in the
> Bible. So what. That doesn't make it Biblical by any means. Most of that
> "morality" existed long before any hint at Judeo-Christian beliefs.

So religion is just someone writing down the obvious? Well we're
basing it on those writinigs.

> Plagiarism is a good word for it, but not actually what I meant. I simply
> meant that it pre-dated the Bible, and most other "modern" religious books
> by a multitude of years, hundreds, perhaps even thousands. These ideas
> popped up all over the world, in almost every religion, despite the lack of
> easy world travel. It's not plagiarism, it's common sense. Almost every
> growing culture of the time developed many of these same values--don't
> steal, don't kill....it was a means of survival.

I don't agree. Take three of the big cultures: Egyptian, Greek and Roman.

> If the Founding Fathers intended to place Biblical values and morals into
> our Constitution, then adultery would be illegal in the Constitution. That's
> a pretty big Biblical value to leave out, if that was the intent. I maintain

You can't take a random excluded item and use it to make a point.

> that it was not their intent, that their intent was to give us liberty, and
> to stay out of the religious beliefs of the masses completely. Religious
> beliefs of political leaders should not sway their votes against the
> Liberties offered by the Constitution, even if--especially if, they
> conflict. The sole guidance of our political leaders should be to ensure the
> Liberties of the People.

I agree

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