> Chuck wrote:
> and obviously, to succeed.  but, to reiterate, it's a controlled environment
> that (IMO) doesn't serve to conclusively indicate that those same successes
> will be attained in the real world.
>

That's why I think you have to look at what's become of him since:

* self-funded and self-made multi-millionaire (and only working part
to do it according to Sam), who made his millions WHILE SERVING!

* Choose service over money, Michelle over some bimbo, and choose to
live on the south side of Chicago.  Nothing shows courage more than
those last two and the first shows a broad perspective (very much like
Giuliani I might add).

* Is a fecking black major party candidate for POTUS with a name like
Barak Obama.  I mean I guess that's old hat to people now but ... holy
crap.

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