On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 4:59 PM, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> That's illogical.  We don't need "easing" we need ASAP.

There is no ASAP unless you want to eliminate the food supply.


> Why dedicate more resources, and destroy more of the environment, for
> not much gain?
>
> I'd *far* rather have that effort put into the "new" the tech(s).

When something shows promise yes but right now we have nothing.

>> Isn't something like 90% of the US unused? The rest of that sentence
>> is all over the place.
>
> Maybe you don't understand the concept of a "limited resource"?

So you want us just to stop using oil?

> No, I'm talking about this type of stuff:
>
> http://www.ppaction.org/campaign/frcp08_adv1?qp_source=frcp08pporg
I don't know what that is. It's like a bumper sticker.
I need real info not a flier.

>> Why do you want to fund abortion education but not abstinence? I am
>> pro choice but am against Planned Parenthood. They're like peta.
>
> They are not at all like PETA.  That's pretty lame, dude, the PP
> clinics help a lot of people.  Maybe you've never lived on the street?

I didn't say they don't help. I think they push abortions too hard and
are too aggressive.

> They use the pronged approach, not "abortion education".  These are
> not baby-killers, you ass.  :-)

I read they encourage sex and then charge for the quick fix.

>> I haven't been keeping up on abortion but didn't realize it was
>> getting harder to get one. I thought it was easier. Isn't it true you
>> don't even have to tell your parents anymore? Unless you're talking
>> about late term abortion. Like when the aborted baby survives you have
>> to throw it in the trash alive. Babies should be like cell phones, you
>> have 30 days to try them out and still have the option of aborting
>> them.
>
> You should brush up on it then, your comments belie your lack of
> information, and a lack of caring.

Sorry, I was mocking you.

>> Adoptions are way up and abortions are way down. That has a good sound to it.
>
> Maybe.  Statistics are the devil's play thing.

That's it? Your only thought is stats are wrong?

> I don't think any lack of freedom is a "good thing".  But you want a
> nanny state, so we're a little different.

Not sure how you figured that. Some people just want 12 year olds to
put a condom on a cuke, others want to explain about the peer pressure
and it's effect. Maybe that is a nanny, you know to have the options
talk.

>> I think Bush crossed the isle and worked with Kennedy on No Child Left
>> Behind. And you all hate him for it. Can win can he. He also tried
>> very hard to fix SS and the dems said it didn't need fixing.
>
> NoChild is a mixed bag, but implemented pretty bad no matter what.  We
> can fund a war, but not our children.

It's pretty successful and it cost a bundle. Not a conservative move
but a reach out accross the isle move. Just goes to show the dems
don't want to work together.

> SS-- one man's solution is another man's problem-- anyways, tho: What,
> is he too much of a pussy to get the Dems to do what he needs?

He spent years on it and without a majority it's out of his hands.

> Clinton got the Repubs to do what he wanted, didn't he?

I think you have that backwards.

>> Don't believe everything you see on PBS.
>
> Oh, yeah, thanks.  That thought hadn't crossed my mind.
>
> Sheesh dude, this ain't rocket science.

We;ve debated this before and I don't mind doing it again.
Tell me which system is better? I hear Cuba has the best medical in the world :)

>> That's what the war was for. Investing in our future survival.
>
> Remind me not to let you handle my investments.

Don't let me handle your investments.

>> I don't trust Google either.
>
> But you trust the Government, which is even better!

It's not that I trust the government, it's that you exaggerate what's
going on here and say it's hundreds of times worse than anything else.
This admin is being watched and investigated nonstop. It's the ones
you're not watching that are doing the evil.

>> Words didn't work.
>
> Better one word that brings peace, than a thousand empty...

Iran still makes nukes, Putin still attacked Georgia and Saddam kept
kicking out those nice inspectors.

>> He's too dangerous.
>
> Heh.  It *would* be quite a shake up.  A needed one, too, but useless
> without more general support.  We don't need schism.

If he wasn't a truther I'd look into him. But I write him off as insane.

>> Explain how he'll reform.
>
> Oh, I'm thinking the same way Clinton did (as in, not really) at least
> we'll be prosperous and whatnot again, with a party that thinks (just
> a tiny bit more) than "the other one" at the helm.

He left us with a dotcom bubble and a recession.

> But mostly I think he sounds smart, capable, and has the energy we
> need to tap into.  Did I mention young?  I like that *a lot*.

Sounds like a gamble and young is not a qualification.

> New blood.

You should run. You qualify by your standards. So does half the population.

>> You mean gay marriage?
>> What is your idea of pro-education? supporting the students or the 
>> bureaucracy?
>
> Supporting education, vs. haggling about it, while spending billions+
> without blinking on other crap.

I think the department of ed is the most corrupt union of all and it
should be destroyed and all the states should start over.

> And yes, gay marriage sounds fine to me.  Let those poor bastards
> suffer like the rest of us.  (just kidding, honey!)
>
> You saying the Republican party supports gay marriage?  Or "alternate
> lifestyles"?

I'm guessing plenty of republicans are gay, just still in the closet :)
Palin says she fully supports civil unions with all the rights of
married couples.

> I think they like to legislate lifestyle.  And morality.  While not
> being any better than the rest of us.

I thing they don't want tax dollars encouraging gay sex amongst young teens.

> The proof is in the pudding, Sam.  You really think things are the
> best they've been?  That we're better off now than we were 8 years
> ago?  That the future is as bright as it could have been?

Me personally yes. I was hit hard by the dotcom bubble.

>> The media is biased for Obama and yes they are lame. But we have talk
>> radio and the internet.
>> How did you lose your personal rights?
>
> I've noted several examples, but you don't seem to think they're
> rights, so what's the point?

Do you think you were spied on?

>> When was your travel restricted?
>
> About a year ago, but many times since DUM DUM DUM  "NINE ELEVEN"
> (one attack, and we're suddenly pussified-- weak. weak. weak.)

Sorry, were you on the terrorist watch list? That would suck but even
before 9/11 I was pulle daside often for having wires in my bags.

> Oh, we "won" the war on terror.  Sure.  "They" didn't win.  Nope.
> We're just "safer" now, a fair trade for freedom.

The war's not over but some people like to think it never existed. I'm
so glad the neo-cons knew better and stepped up to the plate.

> You're making it so.  We're screwed, if people don't wake up and get a clue.

You think the right is communist? You need to look into that.

> http://www.eff.org/issues/privacy (in case clicking on the link on the
> home page was too much effort)

Wow, they have such an amazing grasp of the obvious. :)

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