> -----Original Message-----
> From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 4:23 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Discovery Magazine article on the candidates science
> policies
> 
> I think an interesting article on the E/C debate can be read at
> http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html which sums things
> up this way:
> "In any meaningful sense evolution is a fact, but there are various
> theories concerning the mechanism of evolution."
> 
> As someone who believes in God and Creation, it's the beginning of
> evolution that I have disagreements with.  That said, I know that
> biological organisms do evolve to survive in their environment.

For what it's worth Darwin's Theory of Evolution (specifically Natural
Selection) never actually even approaches a discussion of the origins of
life (origins of species from existing life, definitely, but never the
origin of life).

The basic mechanisms of natural selection (and it was natural selection that
was Darwin's true genius) has sometimes been applied to some idea about the
genesis of life but in general evolutionary theory doesn't provide much help
there.

Of course one of the foundational arguments at the periphery of evolutionary
theory is how we can define life in the first place.  For example they've
shown that chemical systems between layers of mica can actually
"reproduce"... is that "life"?

> The one thing I don't understand is how someone can be an evolutionist
> and an environmentalist.  If the theory holds true, then all that is
> going to happen is evolution, which is as it should be.  Biological
> organisms adapting to survive in their environment.

This is also a misconception: again evolutionary principles are often
applied to other disciplines (social, economic, etc) but that's really not
the "Theory of Evolution" (although it is good evidence for it that the
principles of it are so successful in so many areas).

Not everything that happens is "evolution" (or, to be specific, Natural
Selection) - to be a little flippant there definitely IS "intelligent
design".  Man constantly designs and organizes the natural world either
steering or subverting natural evolution.  Natural Evolution definitely
works within this framework, but man (specifically intelligence) can throw
definite curve balls that wouldn't have occurred naturally.

Although in general I sort of agree.  Saying "draining that lake and killing
off those fish" is "evolution" is wrong: it's a man-made decision.  However
any species that could be eradicated by such a move probably wasn't destined
for much greatness in any case.

Jim Davis


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