Hate to throw a wrench in here but I am Anglican Catholic. We do not believe that Christ is present in the Eucharist, however, by label am still Catholic. :)
-----Original Message----- From: Sandy Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 3:18 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link) Since you both believe in Christ, I would consider you both to be Christians. However, since the Baptists do not share the belief that Christ is present in the Eucharist, they cannot be Catholics. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russel Madere" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 3:16 PM Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link) > So let me ask you this. Because I. as a Catholic, believe that Christ is > present in the Eucharist when I receive It every Sunday. Baptist do not > share that CORE, 2000 year old tenet of my faith. Does that mean to you I, > as a Catholic, and someone else, as a Baptist, cannot both claim to be > Christian? > > Personally, I feel that those calling themselves Messianic Jews are really > archaic Christians. A living, religious fossil, so to speak. I just > resented the immediate condemnation of them as not being Jewish in any way. > The Early Chrisitian Church celebrated in synagogs and worshipped in the > Temple. They maintained much of thier Jewish identity, even after the > Gentiles were admitted to the Church. If it were not for the Roman > persecutions, we probably would still be worshipping that way. > > ===== > Russel Madere > Senior Software Engineer > Turbo Squid, Inc. > http://www.turbosquid.com > > Is your head tag nested within your body tag? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 2:01 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link) > > > > > > At 02:58 PM 4/12/02, you wrote: > > >I'm confused now. You are saying that you can call yourself Christian by > > >believing in a single common tenet. Is this correct? That is like me > > >saying I am Buhdist because I believe in luck. > > > > > >That has nothing to do with my question. I was questioning the > > contention > > >that "the messianics" are not Jewish because of the DISBELIEF in a single > > >Jewish tenet. > > > > Its the specific belief. The belief in Jesus as messiah means > > that someone is Christian. The fact that they want to say "we're > > Jews and Christians at the same time" is the thing that I'm > > speaking against. Your either a Jew or a Christian. You can't be > > both. If you believe that Jesus was the messiah, the son of God, > > God made flesh, etc. then your of a different religion. Belief is > > the focus here. If I believe that Asp is the best language > > around, can I believe that ColdFusion is the best language > > around? Can there be two bests? No. There can only be one best > > and everything else is less than best. You can't be both Jewish > > in belief and Christian in belief. > > > > > > >===== > > >Russel Madere > > >Senior Software Engineer > > >Turbo Squid, Inc. > > >http://www.turbosquid.com > > > > > >Is your head tag nested within your body tag? > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > >> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 1:47 PM > > >> To: CF-Community > > >> Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link) > > >> > > >> > > >> Christians also believe in God. As long as I can 'hook' onto a > > >> single belief I can call myself anything I want. Actually, I > > >> don't even need that. I can say I'm African American and if it > > >> upsets people then they just have to deal with it. Just like the > > >> messianics. > > >> > > >> At 02:41 PM 4/12/02, you wrote: > > >> >If you want. But the point I was making was that not ALL > > >> Chritian clerics > > >> >believe that Jews don't belive Jesus was the Messiah. > > >> > > > >> >However, remember the definition of chrisitianity I was taught. > > >> Christians > > >> >Belive Jesus was the Messiah AND Belive he freed us from the > > Jewish laws. > > >> >So if you want to call yourself a Christian and have me > > believe that, you > > >> >have to meet that definition. > > >> > > > >> >===== > > >> >Russel Madere > > >> >Senior Software Engineer > > >> >Turbo Squid, Inc. > > >> >http://www.turbosquid.com > > >> > > > >> >Is your head tag nested within your body tag? > > >> > > > >> >> -----Original Message----- > > >> >> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > >> >> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 1:31 PM > > >> >> To: CF-Community > > >> >> Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link) > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> So basically I can call myself a Christian? I believe in God and > > >> >> that should be enough to claim it. > > >> >> > > >> >> >Jewish laws, except for the Messianic Jews. They believed > > >> that Jesus was > > >> >> >the Messiah but did not free us from the Jewish laws. > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-community@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
