More over you gonna tell the vet on that for life he can't smoke out? Good luck with that. Pot is as ubiquitous as beer now. It's normal, get over it, and let's get some common sense "change". Where is the reform in that sector?
Oh but he did reverse him self on both the assault weapons ban and the DC gun ban. Greeeaaaatttt This guy looks like more of the same the more of him I see :) -----Original Message----- From: Dana [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:42 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: I am kind of torn by this.. I'm not advocating NO oversight. (Like that would ever happen lol.) I said that making people take pee tests to feed their kids is using a very large weapon of shame to combat a very rare problem. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Jerry Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > What finger pointing party? > > Who are you arguing with? (I am confused) > > You made what I considered a ridiculous statement (needing to prove "the > majority" of anything is a requirement for looking at something with more > scrutiny), and I was hoping you could explain why you would require proof > of > a majority being involved in wrong actions to provide some oversight. > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Because to the extent that that teen mother gives the slightest damn > about > > that child she is still doing better for it than a bureaucracy will. To > the > > extent that she can imagine a better future for herself, it is generally > > cheaper to provide moderate amounts of carefully targetted assistance to > > help her make it happen than it is to let that family go into financial > > free > > fall. > > > > That's why. > > > > If neither of those things are true then perhaps the child is better off > > elsewhere and the mother should be allowed to hit bottom if she insists. > > > > But we are still parsing stereotypes that for the most part are not > valid. > > I > > haven't looked this up in about six or seven years, but at time the > average > > recipient of ADFC was white, divorced and in her thirties, lived in Ohio > or > > Kentucky, and had a court order for child support that nobody could be > > bothered to enforce. > > > > ::shrug:: sorry to bring facts to a finger-pointing party. > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Jerry Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Why "a majority"? Why should there be _any_? > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > well, Gruss wants facts so let's start here. Can you demonstrate to > my > > > > satisfaction that a majority of those using social programs are > > > > "irresponsible teens"? > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:290711 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
