Innocent until proven guilty applies until someone shows reasonable signs of an illegal action. My example was decided by the police as being a reasonable sign of a drug buy. Note the term reasonable. To bring it into the conversation, being Muslim or looking like a Muslim alone is not a reasonable sign of anything. Being a Neo-Nazi alone is not a reasonable sign of anything. Being Amish alone is not a reasonable sign of anything. BUT being of a specific group and doing things that are outside the norm for that group which is also inside the norm for crimes associated with the group IS a reasonable sign to be examined. 1. Amish, Muslim, Neo-Nazi - people 2. Hanging out outside a synagogue multiple times at strange hours - non-standard actions for people 3. SOME members of the group are associated with violence against the location where they are hanging out - reasonable suspicion The Amish do not fulfill part 3. The other 2 do fulfill part 3. Part 2 alone may warrant at least a second look for anyone but when combined with part 3...
Person: So Michael, why are you down on Muslims here? Can't they hang out by a synagogue at 1am every night? You're judging them as Muslims. Michael: do you have a reason to be hanging out by a synagogue at 1am in the night? You do? OK, but I'll be suspicious of you being there almost as much as I would of someone stereotypically related to desecration of synagogues. Person: You're stereotyping. That's bad. Naughty Michael. We don't do that in our polite society. Don't assume guilt, everyone's innocent until convicted of a crime. alledged crime Michael: What can I say, I'm a paranoid who thinks that there are people out there who hate me and are willing to hurt/kill me. On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:41 PM, denstar <valliants...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > > > Some white kids in a farrari drive into a black neighborhood at night. > That > > sentence fits a standard profile of upper class kids buying drugs and > they > > will/should be stopped and checked out. > > No offense... but FUCK THAT! > > *Will/Should*? What the fuck happened to "innocent until proven guilty?" > > I grew up as a minority, so I'm pretty hip to how un-American that comment > is. > > What was that joke from the office last night? > > "Knock Knock" > "Who is there?" > "The KGB" > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:291821 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
