You are right. I don't get why Muslim Extremists want to kill me solely because I an an 'infidel'.
I don't get why some people think I am wrong for making statements like I did, but have no problem with the leaders of a nation saying that another nation should be wiped of the earth and claim the Holocaust was a hoax. (which, again, I was referring to the leaders who made these statements, not the general population of the country) I don't get why a criminal's rights are more inportant the victims of his/her crime. On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I believe they are concerned about the civil liberties portion as well > as the effectiveness issue. If I am reading them correctly. I don't > think anyone is saying that if a man in a turban rushes at you with a > knife shouting about Allah that you should not consider yourself in > danger and take measures. > > My point at least (I will let Denny and Michael speak for themselves) > is that what is really important here is the knife and the running and > perhaps the shouting; not the turban and the Allah. If you are only > looking for turbans and Allah then you miss the IRA bomber (though > they seem to mainly prey on Ireland) as well as the McVeighs. > > You also wind up detouring planes because they are carrying well-known > Muslim peace advocates, and looking stupid. Apart from the civil > liberties of Muslim Americans, which nobody here seems to particularly > care about, to my regret.The looking stupid part is important as well > -- at least part of the problem is the perception that the US doesn't > get it, doesn't want to get it, and never will. "You just can't reason > with such people." Sound familiar? > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Then maybe we just misunderstood each other. > > > > However, Michael Grant and Denstar seem to want it excluded. If that is > > incorrect, then it would seem I misunderstood them as well. > > > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> ::eyeroll:: and I never said it should be excluded from any profile > >> because it might offend some people. I said behavior is a far more > >> useful criterion than ethnicity or gender. > >> > >> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 8:13 AM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > I never said we need to 'focus' on 'Muslim' but, I donl't think it > should > >> be > >> > excluded from any profile becasue it might offend some people. > >> > > >> > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> > >> >> And I am saying that if you focus too much on "Muslim" then > >> >> > >> >> a) you harass a lot of innocents, possibly unconstitutionally > >> >> depending on how it is done > >> >> b) you miss the really dangerous and organized terrorists who are > >> >> smart enough not to wave red flags. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 7:52 AM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > Wow, you truly are that dense. > >> >> > > >> >> > Once again.....'Muslim' would be one piece in a much larger puzzle. > >> One > >> >> > thing drunk drivers do is have difficulty in maintaining a constant > >> >> speed, > >> >> > does this mean that everyone who has difficulty maintaining a > constant > >> >> speed > >> >> > is driving drunk? No. Do I think a police officer should pull > someone > >> >> over > >> >> > SOLELY because they cannot maintain a constant speed? No. But if > the > >> >> driver > >> >> > cannot maintain a constant speed and is swerving a lot in their > lane > >> and > >> >> > exhibiting OTHER behaviors of a drunk driver, than I think they > should > >> >> pull > >> >> > the driver over and investigate. Could be the driver is tired, or > >> >> slightly > >> >> > distracted or drunk. > >> >> > > >> >> > Do I think a person should be investigated SOLELY for being a > Muslim? > >> I > >> >> > think I have answered that before, but I will answer again...NO. > But, > >> if > >> >> the > >> >> > person is Muslim,and exhibits other behaviors similar to those of > know > >> >> > terrorists do I think they should be looked at? Yes. Is that really > so > >> >> hard > >> >> > to understand? > >> >> > > >> >> > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Michael Grant <mgr...@modus.bz> > >> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Just to be clear Scott. You are drawing a parallel between > appearing > >> to > >> >> >> drive drunk (a crime) and appearing Muslim (not a crime)? > >> >> >> Or is appearing Muslim the same as appearing to be a terrorist? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Wire taps are a far stretch from a traffic stop. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Yea, that makes sense, the police are the problem, not the > >> criminals. > >> >> >> The > >> >> >> > criminal has the right to not be bothered by the police, but the > >> >> people > >> >> >> he > >> >> >> > could injure or kill..meh..their rights do not seem to matter as > >> much. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 2:54 AM, denstar < > valliants...@gmail.com> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > You still did not answer the question. I will ask again. > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > If a police officer sees a driver exhibiting behavior > >> consistent > >> >> with > >> >> >> > > those > >> >> >> > > > who are driving drunk, even if this particular driver is not > >> >> breaking > >> >> >> > any > >> >> >> > > > laws, should the police officer investigate further by > pulling > >> the > >> >> >> > driver > >> >> >> > > > over? > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > Its a 'yes' or 'no' question. > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > I'm sorry, I thought my comments made it obvious as to which > way > >> I > >> >> >> swing. > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > The answer is an emphatic 'No'. > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > This protects not only the citizen, but the officer as well. > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > I'm pretty sure I recall you being upset at people getting off > >> due > >> >> to > >> >> >> > > technicalities, neh? > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > It probably sounds as crazy as letting KKK people have > parades, > >> but > >> >> >> > > there you go-- one of the prices we pay for being such a > bad-ass > >> >> >> > > country. > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > I mean, think about your question: Should you be stopped by > an > >> >> >> > > officer of the law if you haven't broken any laws? > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > "Show me your papers" used to be, well, associated with > lameness. > >> I > >> >> >> > > know in this Brave New World, that so long as you're not doing > >> >> >> > > anything wrong, you have nothing to fear. Right? Who cares > if > >> The > >> >> >> > > Man taps your phone? You have something to hide or something? > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > I think a lot of people have lost sight of the big picture. > It's > >> >> sad. > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > As I've said before, I'd rather be "free" than "safe". > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > -- > >> >> >> > > A mind at liberty to reflect on its own observations, if it > >> produce > >> >> >> > > nothing useful to the world, seldom fails of entertainment to > >> >> itself. > >> >> >> > > George Berkeley > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:291777 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
